***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Its incentive to not fire anyone, if they fire or layoff a certain % its turns into a loan rather than a grant.

Right, my point is that we should not have to pay it back either as long as it is used within certain guidelines.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Yet the businesses do not have to pay back the monies as long as they use it to within certain guidelines? That seems pretty ****ed up.

My employees will get the boost, and they will have to pay it back through their tax filing.

I can go out and expand my business (spend money) and kick up expenses so my income is smaller for the next filing year and not have to pay it back.

It's always been this way.

[backinblack]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Turn off your TV log off Facebook. You are out of touch with reality.

Part of it is he reads another certain message board that is known for hosting people of his type and that worry and panic over every little thing(I know this because he copied and pasted a post from that board word for word here yesterday).

[Mecca]

Apparently North Carolina has some rising numbers, they got over 600 in a day.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

why is Frances reporting so bad?

Perhaps they've surrendered.

[SupDock]

The interesting part of the stimulus to me is the 0 dollar payment on federal student loans for 6 months.

[Chief Roundup]

Will one of you quote the section that shows we have to shows we will have to pay it back through tax filings next year. Please

[dirk digler]

A little bit ago I had a long convo with my daughter and what she is experiencing in KC in the ICU's unit she works in. Your odds are long if you get hospitalized for this, they have several middle aged or younger patients get it and seem fine with little or no symptoms then drop dead\crash all of a sudden. They have had only 1 so far that is about to be released but that person wasn't on a vent.

Also they are rationing supplies and they only get 1 set of everything for the whole shift including the doctor's.

Her advice to everyone is stay the **** inside, don't come near anybody and wash your hands constantly this isn't the ****ing flu.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by BWillie

Global mortality rate if you don't include China's numbers is 30%. I don't think anyone believes China's numbers are absolutely correct.

Deaths globally outside of China: 18,878
Recoveries globally outside of China: 44,088

It's possible not all recoveries have been reported. It's also likely that many have it and don't get tested or get reported as having Covid-19 and experience mild symptoms.

However, it appears pretty accurate because the United States isn't going to have many recoveries yet. Just 7 days ago we had 10,000 cases, now we have 69,000. When the majority of your cases are active cases, there aren't going to be many recoveries (or deaths) yet. This thing can take a couple of weeks, sometimes even longer, to reach a recovery or death so there is a lag time.

Italy has more recoveries because they were a couple weeks ahead of where we are at.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

This is worse than any of us want to believe. And if you don't think it is, then we need to be out there testing a sample of the general asymptomatic population to determine how many people actually have it and get a true mortality rate instead of just relying on China's original numbers.

If the mortality rate was anywhere close to that the virus would have already burned itself out.

[notorious]

India isn't messing around!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/indian-po...173328723.html

[O.city]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

A little bit ago I had a long convo with my daughter and what she is experiencing in KC in the ICU's unit she works in. Your odds are long if you get hospitalized for this, they have several middle aged or younger patients get it and seem fine with little or no symptoms then drop dead\crash all of a sudden. They have had only 1 so far that is about to be released but that person wasn't on a vent.

Also they are rationing supplies and they only get 1 set of everything for the whole shift including the doctor's.

Her advice to everyone is stay the **** inside, don't come near anybody and wash your hands constantly this isn't the ****ing flu.

Have they had quite a few pt's with it?

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by notorious

India isn't messing around!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/indian-po...173328723.html

Not surprising it could spread like wildfire there.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

Have they had quite a few pt's with it?

She didn't really say.

[Donger]

Pretty cool:

James Dyson designed a new ventilator in 10 days. He's making 15,000 for the pandemic fight

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/26/tech/...rus/index.html

Dyson has received an order from the UK government for 10,000 ventilators to support efforts by the country's National Health Service to treat coronavirus patients.

James Dyson, the company's billionaire founder, confirmed the order in a letter to employees shared with CNN on Wednesday.

"A ventilator supports a patient who is no longer able to maintain their own airways, but sadly there is currently a significant shortage, both in the UK and other countries around the world," Dyson wrote.

Dyson said the company had designed and built an entirely new ventilator, called the "CoVent," since he received a call 10 days ago from UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson.

"This new device can be manufactured quickly, efficiently and at volume," Dyson added, saying that the new ventilator has been designed to "address the specific needs" of coronavirus patients.

A spokesperson for the company, which is best known for its vacuum cleaners and hand dryers, said the ventilators would be ready by early April. Dyson, who has wealth worth $10 billion according to Bloomberg, wrote in his letter that he would also donate 5,000 units to the international effort to tackle the pandemic.

"The core challenge was how to design and deliver a new, sophisticated medical product in volume and in an extremely short space of time," he added. "The race is now on to get it into production."

Healthcare workers in many parts of the world are having trouble enough critical supplies, such as masks, gloves and ventilators, to deal with the influx of patients suffering from the highly contagious virus.

A second UK firm, Gtech, is also working to produce ventilators and has submitted two examples to the government for assessment. The company specializes in cordless vacuum cleaners and garden power tools.

In the United States, Ford (F) has announced that it's working with 3M and GE Healthcare to produce medical equipment including ventilators and protective gear. GM (GM) and Tesla (TSLA) have also pledged to make ventilators.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

A little bit ago I had a long convo with my daughter and what she is experiencing in KC in the ICU's unit she works in. Your odds are long if you get hospitalized for this, they have several middle aged or younger patients get it and seem fine with little or no symptoms then drop dead\crash all of a sudden. They have had only 1 so far that is about to be released but that person wasn't on a vent.

Also they are rationing supplies and they only get 1 set of everything for the whole shift including the doctor's.

Her advice to everyone is stay the **** inside, don't come near anybody and wash your hands constantly this isn't the ****ing flu.

And yet there are people who get it and are fine in a week...

YMMV