Potential 1st round Targets

[RunKC]

Would switch out Jordan Morgan for Patrick Paul.

As noted in the tackle thread, Morgan has too many red flags with his size (weight), arm length and a bad injury history. Just don’t think he’s a 1st rd player.

Patrick Paul has size, athleticism, experience at LT and he had a top 30 visit with us. Top 40 pick in every mock I’ve seen.

I think he’s a backup plan who could be taken at 32

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Would switch out Jordan Morgan for Patrick Paul.

As noted in the tackle thread, Morgan has too many red flags with his size (weight), arm length and a bad injury history. Just don’t think he’s a 1st rd player.

Patrick Paul has size, athleticism, experience at LT and he had a top 30 visit with us. Top 40 pick in every mock I’ve seen.

I think he’s a backup plan who could be taken at 32

I am skeptical Paul has the quickness to handle speed rushers at LT. I would be very nervous if they took him at 32 with Morgan and Suamataia available.

Morgan's arm length isn't great, but everything else ticks the box.

[Couch-Potato]

I'm starting to see BTJ slip to us at #32 in a few drafts, notably on the PFF youtube show recently... Wondering if he might be a possibility.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I'm starting to see BTJ slip to us at #32 in a few drafts, notably on the PFF youtube show recently... Wondering if he might be a possibility.

No.

[Nightfyre]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I'm starting to see BTJ slip to us at #32 in a few drafts, notably on the PFF youtube show recently... Wondering if he might be a possibility.

The guys who run that have him ranked like 8th on their big boards. Seems unlikely.

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I'm starting to see BTJ slip to us at #32 in a few drafts, notably on the PFF youtube show recently... Wondering if he might be a possibility.

That pick should be turned in about 0.5 seconds if that occurred...

[RunKC]

The LT issue might be too great for us to pass on as one in the first rd. Wanya really struggled in a few games and seems to be a perfect swing tackle instead of a starting LT.

Continuing to rely on old declining LT vets is not a sustainable long term plan. Donovan Smith has been injured in back-to-back years and we were damn lucky he didn’t miss the playoffs with that neck injury. He’s a ticking time bomb.

I think with the strength of this tackle class the Chiefs need to identify their realistic option at LT and pull the trigger.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by RunKC

The LT issue might be too great for us to pass on as one in the first rd. Wanya really struggled in a few games and seems to be a perfect swing tackle instead of a starting LT.

Continuing to rely on old declining LT vets is not a sustainable long term plan. Donovan Smith has been injured in back-to-back years and we were damn lucky he didn’t miss the playoffs with that neck injury. He’s a ticking time bomb.

I think with the strength of this tackle class the Chiefs need to identify their realistic option at LT and pull the trigger.

Still think they'll trade up if they're dead set on getting their LT of the future. It's just not a position where they'll take whatever is left at 32.

[ForeverChiefs58]

[BossChief]

Im really starting to think we will trade down, unless someone falls to 32 that they don’t anticipate to. Kingsley is the only one I think could make it that they would stay out and pull the trigger.

Adding another pick in the top 100 in this draft by sliding down a few spots would probably be worth losing the advantage of the 5th year option.

It’s going to be maddening once we get to pick 20 or so and a couple guys we all expected to go top 10 are still there and we know nobody’s going to let us move up to get them.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Im really starting to think we will trade down, unless someone falls to 32 that they don’t anticipate to. Kingsley is the only one I think could make it that they would stay out and pull the trigger.

Adding another pick in the top 100 in this draft by sliding down a few spots would probably be worth losing the advantage of the 5th year option.

It’s going to be maddening once we get to pick 20 or so and a couple guys we all expected to go top 10 are still there and we know nobody’s going to let us move up to get them.

Don't see it happening that we can move down and pick up a top 100 pick. You gotta drop to like 40-ish and the teams there don't have too much incentive.

I think your hope would be more like a team like WAS moving up from 36 to 32 and swapping us 78 for 95 in the 3rd. If they did, I'd have to think it's taking an OT off the board.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Don't see it happening that we can move down and pick up a top 100 pick. You gotta drop to like 40-ish and the teams there don't have too much incentive.

I think your hope would be more like a team like WAS moving up from 36 to 32 and swapping us 78 for 95 in the 3rd. If they did, I'd have to think it's taking an OT off the board.

Yeah, you're banking on a team loving Penix or Nix and wanting the 5th year option. If that doesn't happen, the deal isn't getting made.

So what teams may be sitting high in Rd1 with an unsettled QB situation? You'd be looking between 4 and 10 because just about anyone else is likely to just take a QB with their 1st rounder.

So that's Cardinals, Giants, Titans, Falcons, Jets, Vikings and Broncos? Most of them don't have the firepower in the middle rounds to make it worth our while.

Maybe Arizona? 35 and 71? They'd probably want 32 and 95 to make that move.

What about the Giants at 47 and 70? Anybody willing to fall back THAT far? That's a damn long way. And we'd probably have to include 131 to get that deal done.

Tennessee for 38 and 106 seems like a path of least resistance. I just don't think I'd bother. I'd rather have the 5th year option on whoever we draft at that point than the extra 4th rounder.

Atlanta for 43 and 79? If we could do that for 32 and 131 I'd probably pull that trigger. 32 and 159 would almost certainly get my attention depending on the draft board.

Bottom line is that the kind of deal you'd be looking at is giving up our 1 and 4 for some teams 2 and 3 in the low 40s and 70s. I might be willing to do those deals but those teams would have to be willing to 'lose' a trade by a little bit for me to do so.

Most teams aren't.

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Yeah, you're banking on a team loving Penix or Nix and wanting the 5th year option. If that doesn't happen, the deal isn't getting made.

So what teams may be sitting high in Rd1 with an unsettled QB situation? You'd be looking between 4 and 10 because just about anyone else is likely to just take a QB with their 1st rounder.

So that's Cardinals, Giants, Titans, Falcons, Jets, Vikings and Broncos? Most of them don't have the firepower in the middle rounds to make it worth our while.

Maybe Arizona? 35 and 71? They'd probably want 32 and 95 to make that move.

What about the Giants at 47 and 70? Anybody willing to fall back THAT far? That's a damn long way. And we'd probably have to include 131 to get that deal done.

Tennessee for 38 and 106 seems like a path of least resistance. I just don't think I'd bother. I'd rather have the 5th year option on whoever we draft at that point than the extra 4th rounder.

Atlanta for 43 and 79? If we could do that for 32 and 131 I'd probably pull that trigger. 32 and 159 would almost certainly get my attention depending on the draft board.

Bottom line is that the kind of deal you'd be looking at is giving up our 1 and 4 for some teams 2 and 3 in the low 40s and 70s. I might be willing to do those deals but those teams would have to be willing to 'lose' a trade by a little bit for me to do so.

Most teams aren't.

Those moves don't strike me as very Veach-y. Last year would have been a prime year to trade down - although maybe we didn't have a partner to trade with. We ended up taking FAU when our other targets were already gone, and we had attempted to trade up.

I think that probably chapped Brett's ass a little bit (purely speculating). I think we are more likely to trade up than we are to trade down this year.

[O.city]

No one is trading up.