***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Mecca]

The other day I saw someone call this the boomer flu.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

No Mortality Rates are determined by Confirmed Cases Vs Deaths. Per CDC/WHO websites

Where do you see this because it is 10000% wrong.

Mortality rates can not be determined until you are recovered or dead.

[IUsedToBeATightEnd]

Some figures regarding age distribution and severity of the symptoms in Italy:

21% of the infected people are hospitalized, 12% are in intensive care (intubated).
No one in the 0-18 age group ended up in intensive care, 10% are between 19 and 50 years old, 46% are between 51 and 70 years old and 44% are over 70 years old.

Could not find the total figures for today. They were 9.172 on sunday so I guess they must be approaching 15.000. Anyone interested can do some calculations.

Source:
https://www.repubblica.it/cronaca/20...78/?refresh_ce

Google translate is your friend.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Where do you see this because it is 10000% wrong.

Mortality rates can not be determined until you are recovered or dead.

Which we won't know until this thing is over, right? So, for right now, we have 121,564 cases and 4,373 have died from it.

[Mecca]

So Italy is full of old people.

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by Donger

Which we won't know until this thing is over, right? So, for right now, we have 121,564 cases and 4,373 have died from it.

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...75ae62e5c06e61

Going by that it is currently between 5-6% mortality rate.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by penguinz

https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashb...75ae62e5c06e61

Going by that it is currently between 5-6% mortality rate.

It's killed 3.59% of those who have gotten it.

[Mecca]

The biggest issue we are going to have with the vast spread of it in this country is simple...employers do not want people working remotely or taking days off. Tons of jobs can be done remotely these days yet they don't want you doing that because bosses have 0 trust in that.

The nature of work and employees is going to be a massive issue.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

It's killed 3.59% of those who have gotten it.

Not really....... I mean it kills old people sure. But not so much any other age group by a serious number. 80+ year olds should be worried, but honestly they should be worried about the flu to.

[IUsedToBeATightEnd]

As I said previously the problem with this Virus it is not the mortality rate of patients who received proper care.
The problem happens when hospitals get overwhelmed, and intensive care can no longer be granted to the 12% who requires forced ventilation to survive.
That's why - instead of panicking - a responsible behavior of the population is the only way to keep this disease from spreading too quickly and becoming a real problem.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Not really....... I mean it kills old people sure. But not so much any other age group by a serious number. 80+ year olds should be worried, but honestly they should be worried about the flu to.

Yes, really. You don't get to ignore numbers because you don't like them. Or do you dispute the numbers?

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by Mecca

The biggest issue we are going to have with the vast spread of it in this country is simple...employers do not want people working remotely or taking days off. Tons of jobs can be done remotely these days yet they don't want you doing that because bosses have 0 trust in that.

The nature of work and employees is going to be a massive issue.

Add in how self centered Americans are. The moron in St Louis is perfect example.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, really. You don't get to ignore numbers because you don't like them. Or do you dispute the numbers?

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by penguinz

Add in how self centered Americans are. The moron in St Louis is perfect example.

Also for some reason people have this idea that working from home is equal to a paid day off.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...-demographics/

And? No one is disputing that the elderly are dying at a much higher rate than the young.

Look, if you want to dispute that as of right now, this thing has killed 3.59% of those have contracted it, go right ahead. You're wrong a lot.