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FloridaMan88 · 02-02-2009, 09:59 AM

As if they hadn't started already...

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...&position=also

Matt Cassel draws interest

TAMPA - They might not have been one of the two Super Bowl participants last night, but the Patriots [team stats] still generated a lot of talk on Radio Row during the week.

With Matt Cassel making the rounds, there was plenty of speculation on how much interest he would draw should the Pats apply the franchise tag and then trade him.

The pundits’ top pick to land Cassel in that scenario is Kansas City. Obviously, the Scott Pioli factor weighs heavily in that choice, with the Pats former vice president of player personnel now calling the shots for the Chiefs.

“I’d really look at Pioli down there in Kansas City. Why wouldn’t he want him?” Sirius NFL radio analyst Jim Miller said. “He knows what the kid is capable of doing. So I think he’d be on their radar.”

Miller, like most analysts, doesn’t see the crop of quarterbacks in this year’s NFL Draft as particularly appealing. That boosts the draw for Cassel, especially if Pioli decides he’s not satisfied with the collection of QBs he inherited after taking over the job.

“I don’t think this is a strong quarterback draft. Everybody is saying Matthew Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of USC are going to go in the Top 10. I don’t believe that,” Miller said. “I don’t think those guys are ready. And I don’t think you’ll see the type of success guys like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco had. They just haven’t played enough. So I can’t see teams wanting them.

“But if Kansas (City) were to make that deal, that’s their Matt Ryan. That’s their Joe Flacco. Unlike a Sanchez, for instance, they know he’s playing at a starter’s level. So to them, I think it’d be worth it to do. They’d get their starting quarterback, they know what he’s capable of doing, and they’ve seen him win games at the NFL level.”

Other experts, meanwhile, aren’t sure Pioli would want to deal with his former boss right out of the gate.

Some other teams figuring to make a pitch for Cassel include the New York Jets, Detroit, Minnesota, San Francisco, Carolina, Tampa Bay and Chicago.

As for what Cassel would land in a trade, there were differing opinions. Miller, for one, thought he would cost a second-round draft choice.

The decision to trade or keep Cassel will ultimately depend on Tom Brady [stats]’s health. While reports have him on target to play in the season opener, he still has a few hurdles to clear before that point following reconstructive surgery on his left knee and a subsequent staph infection.

“I think a lot is going to depend on where Kevin O’Connell is in his development. If they feel they can move Matt to benefit their team, they’ll do it,” said Miller, a one-time Pats backup quarterback. “It’s rolling the dice on Tom and whether he’s healthy, and two, can they do it with Kevin O’Connell? The question they have to ask is if O’Connell is as capable of what they have in Matt Cassel?”

Mecca · 02-02-2009, 10:56 PM

The other thing this fan base is obsessed with...trading down.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-02-2009, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The other thing this fan base is obsessed with...trading down.

BUT IT'S SO EASY!

I mean, who wouldn't want to give up their 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks, plus take on an extra $20M in guaranteed money?

Why wouldn't Philadelphia want to give us both their 1sts, their 2nd, and a first next year?

blueballs · 02-02-2009, 11:09 PM

he'd just be another Thigpen
he's a white cassel slider

chiefzilla1501 · 02-02-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Moving to KC and playing with much much much lesser talent is not going to = a better year for him. He will look like Damon Huard behind this line. Sure if he stays with the Patriots he COULD get better, he could just as easily get worse like Derrick Anderson. It is very hard to fail when you are surrounded by the talent he was.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...east110108.htm
Light and Kaczur were battling injuries this year, and Stephen Neal was too. The offensive line for the Pats was actually really banged up.

So with a battered offensive line and the top RB on the roster, Lawrence Maroney, out, I think it's an exaggeration to say that he was surrounded by all-world talent. Tom Brady is the best in the NFL bar-none at sliding around in the pocket--there is an argument to be made that Brady is so good that he makes his offensive line look a lot better than they actually are.

Mecca · 02-02-2009, 11:24 PM

Maroney my ass man, the Pats had over 2000 yards as a team rushing they were in the upper part of the league.

bigbucks24 · 02-02-2009, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The other thing this fan base is obsessed with...trading down.

This is a great point. As great as it sounds, the problem seems to be coming up with a partner. When was the last time someone traded into the top 5? As a Dolphin fan, many were talking about trading the #3 away for a multitude of picks a couple of years ago when we got Ronnie Brown. Never found a deal. Last year, people were talking about getting the Cowboy's 2 first rounders because we were terrible and had a ton of holes to fill. Never found a partner. I think the chances of finding a partner that is willing to pay close to reasonable compensation knowing that they are going to take on a huge gauranteed contract are practically zero.

Mecca · 02-02-2009, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbucks24

This is a great point. As great as it sounds, the problem seems to be coming up with a partner. When was the last time someone traded into the top 5? As a Dolphin fan, many were talking about trading the #3 away for a multitude of picks a couple of years ago when we got Ronnie Brown. Never found a deal. Last year, people were talking about getting the Cowboy's 2 first rounders because we were terrible and had a ton of holes to fill. Never found a partner. I think the chances of finding a partner that is willing to pay close to reasonable compensation knowing that they are going to take on a huge gauranteed contract are practically zero.

Thinking logically is not a strong suit of some NFL fans, your post makes to much sense for them to comprehend.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-03-2009, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bigbucks24

This is a great point. As great as it sounds, the problem seems to be coming up with a partner. When was the last time someone traded into the top 5? As a Dolphin fan, many were talking about trading the #3 away for a multitude of picks a couple of years ago when we got Ronnie Brown. Never found a deal. Last year, people were talking about getting the Cowboy's 2 first rounders because we were terrible and had a ton of holes to fill. Never found a partner. I think the chances of finding a partner that is willing to pay close to reasonable compensation knowing that they are going to take on a huge gauranteed contract are practically zero.

I've pushed for a trade down but my argument has always been that the reason trades don't happen, is because a reeruned draft chart makes it impossible to trade out of the spot. I've yet to hear a compelling argument as to why top 5 trades demand so much compensation. The only argument is "because the chart says so."

If trades are constantly getting nixed from teams that are pushing for a trade-down, then that means the draft chart is off. End of story.

Mecca · 02-03-2009, 02:07 AM

Why does every draft thread always turn into...

Trade Down
These QB's aren't any good
The draft chart is dumb

Valiant · 02-03-2009, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by unothadeal

Next year, Matt Cassel will come nowhere close to producing like he did this year. I gauran-damn-tee it!

Yeah I agree.. He is on a loaded team.. Hell roger or phil could win 10games throwing the ball for them..

**DaKCMan AP** · 02-03-2009, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...east110108.htm
Light and Kaczur were battling injuries this year, and Stephen Neal was too. The offensive line for the Pats was actually really banged up.

So with a battered offensive line and the top RB on the roster, Lawrence Maroney, out, I think it's an exaggeration to say that he was surrounded by all-world talent. Tom Brady is the best in the NFL bar-none at sliding around in the pocket--there is an argument to be made that Brady is so good that he makes his offensive line look a lot better than they actually are.

Without an injured Maroney the Pats rushed for 2278 yards in 2008. With Maroney they rushed for 1849 yards in 2007 and 1969 in 2006.

Next faulty excuse, please.

chiefzilla1501 · 02-03-2009, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Why does every draft thread always turn into...

Trade Down
These QB's aren't any good
The draft chart is dumb

Because people like you keep bringing it up, and people keep somehow keep defending the draft chart.

**DaKCMan AP** · 02-03-2009, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Because people like you keep bringing it up, and people keep somehow keep defending the draft chart.

You need to wake up from fairy tale land and realize that teams pretty much adhere to the draft value chart.

Mecca · 02-03-2009, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Because people like you keep bringing it up, and people keep somehow keep defending the draft chart.

When every god damn team in the league uses the thing arguing that it's dumb is a pointless activity.

Is this really that hard to understand, when every single team in the league does something you have to take into into account and not go "well I think it's stupid so it doesn't matter"

It doesn't work that way, it's like things in life when things are an accepted standard you have to take them into account you can't go well I think that's dumb so I'm gonna do this.

Keep saying the chart is dumb it'll just make you wrong because every team uses it.

Frankie · 02-03-2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The other thing this fan base is obsessed with...trading down.

If a taker is available, a well prepared team would do well to at least seriously consider it in ALMOST every case.

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