***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[jjjayb]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Where did the governor of Cali get that number from? 1/2 of Cali could eventually be infected? Isn’t that like 25 million people?

Straight out of his ass.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Depending on where I was, I'd probably rather stay put. Most countries seem to be controlling this better than us at the moment.

Who is controlling it better than us? I’d rather be here, you go ahead to Italy or France or China if you want lol

[jjjayb]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Depending on where I was, I'd probably rather stay put. Most countries seem to be controlling this better than us at the moment.

Seriously? Wow. We have 43 cases per million people.

[suzzer99]

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020...infection.html

If anyone needs a little more motivation to stay inside.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by jjjayb

Seriously? Wow.

Of course seriously.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

[jjjayb]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Of course seriously.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

Now look at how many cases per million people. Hint. It's on the far right. South Korea, the one that's doing so great. The gold standard. They have 169 cases per million people. We have 43.

[Demonpenz]

Frank Clark had it mid season that he lost 30 pounds.

[BigRedChief]

Australia can’t get the millennials off the beach either

No enforcement for international arrivals at the airport
No enforcement on our streets
No enforcement on our ports
No enforcement on our beaches

Look at other countries who are further down the COVID19 path than Australia - we need Police/Army to step inhttps://t.co/7NbJgxLUqP

— Mel (@goingblindagain) March 20, 2020

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by jjjayb

Now look at how many cases per million people. Hint. It's on the far right. South Korea, the one that's doing so great. The gold standard. They have 169 cases per million people. We have 43.

Do you not read this thread? Every other first-world country is testing many times more than us. Nobody has any idea how many cases we have because we aren't testing.

NYC hospitals are about to be overrun - which would make us the 3rd country to have that happen. Not great Bob.

[Demonpenz]

I thought suicide was a huge problem now. People got guns and lack of sunlight all month long with no job.

[jjjayb]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Do you not read this thread? Every other first-world country is testing many times more than us. Nobody has any idea how many cases we have because we aren't testing.

NYC hospitals are about to be overrun - which would make us the 3rd country to have that happen. Not great Bob.

Have you looked at the deaths per million? We are managing this better than most. We have a country of almost 350 million people and 217 deaths. Perspective Suzzer. Don't let the hysteria get the best of you.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by jjjayb

Have you looked at the deaths per million? We are managing this better than most. We have a country of almost 350 million people and 217 deaths. Perspective Suzzer. Don't let the hysteria get the best of you.

You're really not reading this thread at all. It's not where we're at right now, it's where we're headed. The math looks very bad for us right now. We wouldn't be destroying our economy if it didn't.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by jjjayb

Now look at how many cases per million people. Hint. It's on the far right. South Korea, the one that's doing so great. The gold standard. They have 169 cases per million people. We have 43.

They can also test more people. the US was stuck in mud for a while.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Where did the governor of Cali get that number from? 1/2 of Cali could eventually be infected? Isn’t that like 25 million people?

I know some folks arent from California, but there is alot to do in California that involves being around people, you have, theme parks. Disneyland, 6 Flags, Knotts Berry Farm, Universal Studio's, Great American, 4 NBA teams, 5 MLB teams, 3 NHL teams, Numerous beaches and water parks, Minor league baseball teams all over, that doesnt even count the night life in California. There is a WHOLE bunch of Social interaction here, We have concert Venues up the ****ing ass here. State fairs, county fairs. They take all that into consideration which is why everything is shut the **** down right now. So yeah, if they didnt shut it all down, that many i could easily see getting effected.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

You're really not reading this thread at all. It's not where we're at right now, it's where we're headed. The math looks very bad for us right now. We wouldn't be destroying our economy if it didn't.

We had 5K cases today. Putting aside how much of that is backlogged tests let’s assume it’s accurate for today. By next weekend we’ll be seeing 20,000 cases per day and the weekend after that around 40,000 per day — unless they can slow the transmission by keeping everyone behind closed doors. At 40,000 new cases per day, if the same averages other countries are experiencing are also experienced here, that would be around 4,000 hospitalizations daily and hundreds of deaths (if not thousands). Boom goes the health care system.

Again, this is all just math at this point and it is math that we’ve already experienced. The infections here are not the same as China or S Korea. If social distancing works you’ll slow that doubling down considerably over time but when I was out to pick up mail earlier there were still restaurants open in the valley and people hanging out at a lounge next to it. It just doesn’t seem to sink in with some how dire this can become and how fast it can get here.

Really hope the math is proven wrong and/or that closing everything down works.