Looks like Spagnuolo [favorite for] DC

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Former Giants’ DC and HC Steve Spagnuolo has emerged as the favorite to replace Bob Sutton as the Chiefs’ defensive coordinator, per sources.

Spagnuolo and Andy Reid worked together in Philadelphia, share the same agent and have a mutual respect for each other’s work.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) January 23, 2019

The #Chiefs are hiring Steve Spagnuolo as their new defensive coordinator, sources say. The former #Giants DC and interim HC/#Rams HC began his NFL coaching career as an #Eagles assistant under Andy Reid. Now rejoins Big Red in KC.

— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) January 24, 2019

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Steve Spagnuolo's last DECADE of leading defenses.
Average in Yards Allowed: 25th in NFL (including worst or 2nd worst 4x)
Average in Points Allowed: 24th in NFL (including 30th or worse 3x)

— Matt Conner (@MattConnerAA) January 23, 2019

Doesn't inspire confidence. Don't know what to think.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Very few of them - no question.

I'm not expecting chicken salad from chicken shit here. But what I'm hoping for is a marginal step up on the talent. He's not going to have 'great players' on balance - he's gonna have a few good ones and he'll have to make due.

But you saw it just as I did - the goddamn Ravens performed so far above their true talent that it was ridiculous. That defense has some solid players, to be sure, but that's not why they were such an excellent unit. They were an excellent unit because they were versatile and played smart team defense.

Spagnuolo over the last decade has demonstrated a pattern of having just awful defenses with a single exception (that '16 team). Sutton's resume over his time in KC is BETTER than Spags over the same time period and that's just a horrifying thought. My point here isn't that Spags needed to be leading perennial top 5 defenses but rather to point out that his track record over that period is arguably the worst of any coach that has been continually employed in a coordinator or higher capacity over the last decade. The problem isn't that he didn't have great defenses - it's that he routinely produced objectively bad ones.

At that level of suck, the excuses just wash out. Maybe he didn't routinely have excellent players but jesus - I'm not going to just assume he routinely had players that awful either. Over an entire decade.

I don't disagree.

But the Ravens are an interesting example in that their DC was the DC in Denver in 2010 and they were awful. I just don't know how much a DC can do in terms of being so crazy creative without talent.
I think you're also underrating the Ravens talent and I think they're an example of what we need to look at in terms of just having good players everywhere. This great here and shit there approach just doesn't work anymore on defense.

[T-post Tom]

Originally Posted by Red Dawg

His job will be very clear. Find a way to stop all the long clock killing drives that killed us. No one expects dominance but hold teams down forba half would be enough.

Actually, dominance would be nice.

[FringeNC]

Spags and Rex Ryan are the two guys I didn't want. This may not be an upgrade at all.

[The Franchise]

Here's who he had on that 2016 defense that was top 10:

Defensive linemen

96 Jay Bromley DT
95 Johnathan Hankins DT
98 Damon Harrison DT
58 Owa Odighizuwa DE
78 Romeo Okwara DE
90 Jason Pierre-Paul DE
99 Robert Thomas DT
54 Olivier Vernon DE
72 Kerry Wynn DE

Linebackers
52 Jonathan Casillas OLB
93 B. J. Goodson MLB
94 Mark Herzlich OLB
59 Devon Kennard OLB
57 Keenan Robinson OLB
91 Kelvin Sheppard MLB
53 Deontae Skinner OLB
97 Ishaq Williams OLB

Defensive backs

33 Andrew Adams FS
24 Eli Apple CB
29 Nat Berhe FS
21 Landon Collins SS
25 Leon Hall CB
20 Janoris Jenkins CB
37 Eric Pinkins SS
41 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB
30 Coty Sensabaugh CB
31 Trevin Wade CB

[Mecca]

It's honestly not surprising, with the way Reid basically does nothing with the defense I don't think he was ever going to higher some young coach who'd never done it before.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by T-post Tom

Doesn't inspire confidence. Don't know what to think.

It's the same nepotistic bullshit that kept Smith here for 5 years. I would've thought Reid had learned his lesson with Mahomes but apparently that was just the broken clock being right twice a day.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Marty says this is as good as done.

Lol

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Exactly. Andy wants a guy he ca set and forget. He wants to turn the defense over to someone who will control that side of the club so he can focus on Pat and the offense.

A young, never been before, DC is not that guy.

Spags has been both a DC and a HC, so he knows how to gameplan, prepare his team and control a locker room.

I dont love the hire either, but i get it.

I know this is what the league thinks. I get it.

But young coaches, especially the superstars, those ****ers are grinders man. They are 1,000 mph and they will kill themselves to get a shot at the big chair. They are so often out there providing the energy and the shot in the arm that an organization needs.

If I am looking for a "Head Coach of the Defense" then the EXACT guy I'm looking for is the hungry up and comer that will have the fire and energy and straight up hunger to go put forward the 100 hours that he needs to learn and create.

Not Romeo ****ing Crennel or Gunther or some other recycled old guy who thinks he has the answers already.

There's ample cause to flip that entire paradigm on its head and say that if you're looking for someone to turn the keys over to, the young guy is the way you SHOULD go.

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by The Pest

Here's who he had on that 2016 defense that was top 10:

Defensive linemen

96 Jay Bromley DT
95 Johnathan Hankins DT
98 Damon Harrison DT
58 Owa Odighizuwa DE
78 Romeo Okwara DE
90 Jason Pierre-Paul DE
99 Robert Thomas DT
54 Olivier Vernon DE
72 Kerry Wynn DE

Linebackers
52 Jonathan Casillas OLB
93 B. J. Goodson MLB
94 Mark Herzlich OLB
59 Devon Kennard OLB
57 Keenan Robinson OLB
91 Kelvin Sheppard MLB
53 Deontae Skinner OLB
97 Ishaq Williams OLB

Defensive backs

33 Andrew Adams FS
24 Eli Apple CB
29 Nat Berhe FS
21 Landon Collins SS
25 Leon Hall CB
20 Janoris Jenkins CB
37 Eric Pinkins SS
41 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB
30 Coty Sensabaugh CB
31 Trevin Wade CB

That's actually, not all that great, so much so the year after the Giants ditched almost all the guys you have bolded.

[BryanBusby]

This reeks of a hire who would keep his kid as the DL coach. He and Andy are besties, so no way would he fire junior. God damnit Andy.

[Imon Yourside]

Good old Andy "keep it in the family" Reid.

I get wanting just an average defense, but the skies the limit here and we're settling for someone who is bottom tier by all measures. I don't understand this mentality Andy can go out and get anyone and is stuck with this decision for a while probably at least in his mind.

[O.city]

Some won't like this aspect, but I'm just satisfied they are getting away from the 34. It's just so damn hard to find players for it

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Your new defensive coordinator, barring a complete breakdown in talks, will be Steve Spagnuolo. He was a defensive assistant under Andy Reid in Philadelphia from 1999 - 2006.

— The Chiefs Kingdom (Ver 2.0) (@1_ChiefsKingdom) January 23, 2019

Dude stop with this shit

[Dr. Yu Weed Tard]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Very few of them - no question.

I'm not expecting chicken salad from chicken shit here. But what I'm hoping for is a marginal step up on the talent. He's not going to have 'great players' on balance - he's gonna have a few good ones and he'll have to make due.

But you saw it just as I did - the goddamn Ravens performed so far above their true talent that it was ridiculous. That defense has some solid players, to be sure, but that's not why they were such an excellent unit. They were an excellent unit because they were versatile and played smart team defense.

Spagnuolo over the last decade has demonstrated a pattern of having just awful defenses with a single exception (that '16 team). Sutton's resume over his time in KC is BETTER than Spags over the same time period and that's just a horrifying thought. My point here isn't that Spags needed to be leading perennial top 5 defenses but rather to point out that his track record over that period is arguably the worst of any coach that has been continually employed in a coordinator or higher capacity over the last decade. The problem isn't that he didn't have great defenses - it's that he routinely produced objectively bad ones.

At that level of suck, the excuses just wash out. Maybe he didn't routinely have excellent players but jesus - I'm not going to just assume he routinely had players that awful either. Over an entire decade.

Spagnuholo.