***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I truly believe that. I remember reading a couple of weeks ago a doctor in Italy said that the majority of people who died in Italy were probably going to die in the next couple of months anyway from something and this jut happened to be it.

So it only killed hospice patients?



No one, not even you could believe that to be true. Please present that in linked form please.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by carlos3652

Agree 100% with you, but if you remember - after looking at the newest trends (which were lower than Ringleaders original numbers) I stated that we were trending towards 800 deaths by Tuesday and 1000 deaths by April 4th.

You then asked, when are we going to take into account the measures we put in place and that those numbers didn’t include those and that 1k deaths wouldn’t happen since Italy wasn’t even there yet (the US just hit over 500 deaths for the very first time on saturday)

All I’m saying is you tend to down play the situation ... yes NY and NJ are the hotspot today... but you know what’s next... Michigan, Louisiana and Indiana.

It’s starts slow but the rest of the country will feel this in the next two weeks - at lower numbers but same % of per capita...

I don’t want to come across as attacking you. I want to make that clear. I think you have a positive level headed attitude, especially the last week or so. But it’s looking grim based on the math.

I really hope I’m wrong / but thankfully everyone in the country is finally realizing that this situation is effed up and we need to take it seriously... 4 weeks ago people were making fun of this and calling it an overreaction... I’m glad that’s died down.

Well, I hope you are wrong too.....

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

So it only killed hospice patients?



No one, not even you could believe that to be true. Please present that in linked form please.

Dude, I am just telling you what an Italian doctor said....take it up with him.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Dude, I am just telling you what an Italian doctor said....take it up with him.

Telling us what "he said" without an actual link to prove it?

Convenient.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by KCFalcon59

Scary.

No offense to anyone that lives there but hell yeah, Stockton is scary

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Telling us what "he said" without an actual link to prove it?

Convenient.

Yo got me...I made it all up. Why? I don't know, I just did.

[WhawhaWhat]

COVID-19 Projections

http://covid19.healthdata.org/

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

215,000 cases

26,473 new cases today

5,102 deaths

1,049 new deaths today

Horrible

[eDave]

Originally Posted by WhawhaWhat

COVID-19 Projections

http://covid19.healthdata.org/

Arizona projections keep on dropping. Cities are now taking down BB hoops, volleyball nets, etc. in the parks around here.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

**** yeah that is what needs to be done to people more often. It might cut down on some of the stupid shit.

Was that a Karate chop awesome dude

[petegz28]

Kansas has already added an additional 5 new cases and 1 new death. But still under 500 total cases.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by lewdog

So it only killed hospice patients?



No one, not even you could believe that to be true. Please present that in linked form please.

A fair amount of the deaths were only found to have covid 19 posthumously

So it was more they died with covid 19 than because of it

[HonestChieffan]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

maybe he’s trying to fear people into following the guidelines. That’s a good possibility for sure. Happens a lot in emergency situations to get the public to corporate.

But, based on my personal experience, I could tell within a week if 99% of my patients were ever coming off the ventilator. It was obvious to us all.

Hard for me to determine someones intent from their comments. The dr has been so even and calm in his answers to questions its hard to see he would try to use fear. I could accept he is open and forthright and lacks a lot of hyperbole we often see with self proclaimed experts


To your 99% I have difficulty ever buying into statements like that. With modern science and advanced health care, no legitimate medical professional would speculate to that degree with only a few days observation and treatment.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Hard for me to determine someones intent from their comments. The dr has been so even and calm in his answers to questions its hard to see he would try to use fear. I could accept he is open and forthright and lacks a lot of hyperbole we often see with self proclaimed experts

there was no “doctor” that said that. The governor of NY said that.

[ping2000]

Originally Posted by TLO

I know this has taken a toll on all of us but damn, he really went off the rails

On the Crazy Train no less. Please just socially distance the train/ship **** from my planet. Bullets are available, and we have other things to do right now.