***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by 007

They can't get unemployment in that situation. They are still employed.

I guess I'm not sure how Kansas unemployment works, but in Colorado you can draw partial unemployment due to reduced pay.

[BossChief]

It’s sad that as a race of people we aren’t smart enough to shut down travel (both interstate and especially across country borders) worldwide and have everyone shelter in place.

The fact the subways and airports are still open is so incredibly irresponsible that it’s unbelievable.

If we really are this stupid as a human race, we deserve the horrific outcome.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

I'm good with that, the cries are getting old...

You sure give some thought to why you think that shortage of PPE's gets "old" to you. I think your thoughts are that this damages your side of the political aisle. I don't see that angle.

I've not seen one story where the doctors, nurses are blaming anyone specifically for the PPE shortage. Just letting people know they desperately need PPE's to protect themselves and their patients. You keep hearing about it because the healthcare workers lives are at risk. Doctors and nurses are dying due to a lack of PPE's.

This isn't about politics. It's about supporting our front line solders fighting this virus, like Dirk Diglers daughter. Getting them the equipment to stay alive while they save us.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by 007

They can't get unemployment in that situation. They are still employed.

I believe there is mechanism for handling lost wages. Not certain though.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by GloryDayz

I'm good with that, the cries are getting old...

If the U.S. Government had kept hangers full of respirators and other gear just sitting around in case of a pandemic, tax payers would have crucified them. That being said, military hospitals to keep the mobile hospitals stocked with all they need, and as those stores start to age, they circulate them to their active facilities. But that's hardly what we're talking about here.

This is all BS..sorry GD.

[Donger]

Wow. The UK has a CFR of 8%

[2112]

Originally Posted by Donger

Wow. The UK has a CFR of 8%

Close to Italy. What’s the US updated CFR?

[Pants]

Originally Posted by D2112

Close to Italy. What’s the US updated CFR?

I think it's a little over 2% maybe?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by D2112

Close to Italy. What’s the US updated CFR?

2.15%

[2112]

Originally Posted by Pants

I think it's a little over 2% maybe?

That’s a lot better than Europe is doing. Most of that is in NY/NJ too

[Donger]

Originally Posted by D2112

That’s a lot better than Europe is doing. Most of that is in NY/NJ too

The Germans being German... 1.1%

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by blake5676

Apologies...I didn't think my post was political or partisan in nature. I was simply trying to explain to the two in the back and forth circle jerk about the fact that depending on how you look at it, they were BOTH likely right and just arguing semantics. Will tread more lightly I suppose.

That being said, I do think its an important and salient point that the model they are using that everyone is seeing headlines about has a lot of depth and isn't just a dead on result. The numbers could get worse, but they could also be a lot better considering most of the data the model is using is skewed by projections from the hard hit areas.

uuuuuuhhhhh no we both cant be right.


either it was said or it wasnt (it was). and pete has done that multiple times in this thread. i guess next time instead of pointing it out and correcting him i'll just make it so he doesnt post in here anymore...


and yes i think the bolded is a good point. it could be better which is why i said that by the models they are using the 100 to 240k is the best case scenario

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

If you are young, healthy, and you get it you should be alright. Unfortunately, that is only about 0.1% of the posters on CP but overall, good news for a lot of US population.

JFC, unless you are implying that CP is full of elderly posters with significant underlying health issues, most people here will likely fall in the 80% category, in terms of people who get COVID-19 and have minimal to no symptoms.

[Mecca]

I went to Costco in Independence this morning.....they have TP, everything is restock, wasn't even that busy.

[Pants]

Originally Posted by D2112

That’s a lot better than Europe is doing. Most of that is in NY/NJ too

I don't put much stock in these numbers because the testing is just so hopelessly inconsistent.

The Germans have a really low CRF but they probably tested a shit ton more people than Italy. There also shenanigans when it comes to causes of death and how those are tracked across all the affected countries.

Who ****ing knows, man. All we know is that tens of thousands of people are dying and it will be in the hundreds of thousands soon. ****ing sucks.