***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Read the CDC's MMWR. The hospitalization rates are substantially higher than the flu, which will break the back of the system and the fatality rate is 0.1-0.2 for 25-44 and 0.5-0.8 for those 45-54 before they've run out of beds or equipment.

That is much higher than a bad flu season.
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I never once mentioned hospitalization rates. Nice change of subject.

I did however claim that the fatality rate for under 50 has been reported to be equivalent to a bad flu season and that is in this thread if you care to look. Are you arguing the accuracy of said reports or claiming I lied about it?

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[Donger]

Originally Posted by SupDock

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...257-7/fulltext



Just like influenza. Published 3 days ago, by the way

Thanks, it's appreciated.

[Gravedigger]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I saw his video tweet this morning, I think the guy made the whole ****ing thing up but that's a story for another thread.

Yeah, he's definitely milking it for everything it's worth given his position. Talking about hallucinations of his Dad, haven't heard that as a symptom of COVID 19 yet, interesting.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I think his point is more that why are we locking down the whole country for a CFR of .16% for anyone under 50? Do the lockdown by risk category instead.

It's been posted many times, but the hospitalization rates are still quite high even for younger people. You don't want hospital beds being taken up by 35 year olds when you've got 80 year olds who need them.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I think his point is more that why are we locking down the whole country for a CFR of .16% for anyone under 50? Do the lockdown by risk category instead.

I'm not going to repeat the reasons why public health officials are continuing to suggest a lockdown.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

I never once mentioned hospitalization rates. Nice change of subject.

I did however claim that the fatality rate for under 50 has been reported to be equivalent to a bad flu season and that is in this thread if you care to look. Are you arguing the accuracy of said reports or claiming I lied about it?

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Again, post where you are seeing this.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by SupDock

I'm not going to repeat the reasons why public health officials are continuing to suggest a lockdown.

Right.

It's been said in this thread a million times.

[Donger]

I wonder where they got the CFR for influenza though. My understanding is that it's usually 0.1%

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by SupDock

I'm not going to repeat the reasons why public health officials are continuing to suggest a lockdown.

Friend of mine was having some chest pains earlier this week and went to the ER for some testing. Town of 60,000 metro area of 250,000 people with 2 hospitals. He said the hospital was literally empty. Like a freaking ghost town, nurse told him not to jinx it when he mentioned it.

[displacedinMN]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

May june abd July as well get accustomed it.

agreed. If in two weeks we just say ALL DONE. We will have more issues.

[O.city]

They’re not doing any elective procedures and people are scared to go to the hospital

Honestly it’s a good thing in that way cause people go to the ER all the damn time for mi or shit they should go to urgent care for

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by O.city

They’re not doing any elective procedures and people are scared to go to the hospital

Honestly it’s a good thing in that way cause people go to the ER all the damn time for mi or shit they should go to urgent care for

Its pretty interesting.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by Donger

I wonder where they got the CFR for influenza though. My understanding is that it's usually 0.1%

.1 is generally true which is why I specified a bad flu season. Check out 2018 if you want to see bad numbers.

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[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Where are you seeing that that CFR of seasonal influenza is .16%?

You don't think we hit .16% in 2018? I specified a bad flu season estimate not what it is averaged over time. There is a huge yearly variance. If you can't argue what I actually posted than kindly shut the **** up.

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[O.city]

I don’t think even in the worst flu season we get to .16

That seems way high