***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by Donger

I wonder what the situation would be now if the task force guidelines had actually been followed. I guess we'll never know, but maybe we'd have large gatherings, sports and kids going back to school, and getting to be kids again.

What a terrible shame.

See New Zealand.

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by O.city

There weren’t going to be large gatherings or sports with fans until there’s a vaccine anyway

And it's going to be pretty hypocritical to allow them even if there is a C-19 vaccine considering science tell us mass gatherings regularly kill people through other contagions.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DaFace

My issue with virtual learning is that it's HUGELY inequitable in terms of the quality of education kids are actually going to receive. If you have a high academic performer in the first place, they'll probably be fine. If you have a stable family and parents who are able to help, they'll probably be fine.

But kids with parents who either don't care or who aren't otherwise able to help (working multiple jobs or whatever) are pretty much screwed. And in many cases, poorer kids don't even have access to the technology they need at home to participate virtually anyway. (Yes, schools can give out equipment, but my mom works in a district where many kids in rural areas don't have internet at home, period.)

Public education is already largely inequitable. It’s a money pit with no bottom and it’s producing diminishing returns to boot. Education needs a serious overhaul.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

Isn't the simpler explanation that truly asymptomatic and mild cases with positive tests are likely a detection of any other beta Coronavirus and not SARSCov2?

If you did full work up on patients who are asymptotic I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some pathological effect somewhere, but it would be hard to say covid was the cause but we had an a symptomatic patient in hospital with bilateral pneumonia, was in hospital over 2 weeks for renal failure but when he was discharged he still had the bilateral pneumonia and never developed any symptoms he was only kepT in hospital because he would not have been able to self isolate.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Great8

We haven't any kind of issues here with people not following guidelines as far as I can see.
Virginia as a state has been masked up since damn near the beginning of this thing.
All we are doing is kicking the rock down the road and hoping for it to just disappear.
At some point in time, we are going to have to live with this thing instead of hiding from it.

All we need is a vaccine and it will be okay. It will be gone. You know like every other coronavirus known to man. Or the common cold.

The new normal isn’t social distancing and masks. The new normal is that people are going to get COVID-19 for the rest of eternity and some people might even die.

[Great8]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

All we need is a vaccine and it will be okay. It will be gone. You know like every other coronavirus known to man. Or the common cold.

The new normal isn’t social distancing and masks. The new normal is that people are going to get COVID-19 for the rest of eternity and some people might even die.

This

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DaFace

There's a ton of research about childhood development and how you can never really get years back - especially for younger kids. There are super strong correlations between kids who are behind in reading skills by grade 3, for example, and long-term academic and financial performance.

It's a little weaker for high-school kids, but at best we're gonna have a generation of kids who got a shitty high school education, which is foundational to higher-education enrollment and performance. (Not sure about studies with regard to non-academic paths beyond high school.) And I'm sure people around here can remember the strong social experiences they had in high school which are now being damaged.

Those kids were already getting shitty educations. At least they are here. My daughter homeschooled because our district was so bad. She would have been valedictorian of her class with her grades and scores. And she did all of her school while working a full time job and paying off a brand new car that she bought 100% on her own.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

And it's going to be pretty hypocritical to allow them even if there is a C-19 vaccine considering science tell us mass gatherings regularly kill people through other contagions.

Eh I get what you’re getting at

But there’s nuance there

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by DaFace

There's a ton of research about childhood development and how you can never really get years back - especially for younger kids. There are super strong correlations between kids who are behind in reading skills by grade 3, for example, and long-term academic and financial performance.

It's a little weaker for high-school kids, but at best we're gonna have a generation of kids who got a shitty high school education, which is foundational to higher-education enrollment and performance. (Not sure about studies with regard to non-academic paths beyond high school.) And I'm sure people around here can remember the strong social experiences they had in high school which are now being damaged.

I am sure some kids had horrible HS experiences , but a year of adversity isn’t the worse thing for the bubble wrap generation, coping skills / self motivated learning a little taste of the real world , but maybe that’s just me , my kids have it pretty easy .

[BossChief]

You guys get hit by the storm, Htismaqe?

[Discuss Thrower]

Originally Posted by O.city

Eh I get what you’re getting at

But there’s nuance there

Are deaths by contagion preventable or not, and if so, what are the methods of prevention?

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

All we need is a vaccine and it will be okay. It will be gone. You know like every other coronavirus known to man. Or the common cold.

The new normal isn’t social distancing and masks. The new normal is that people are going to get COVID-19 for the rest of eternity and some people might even die.

You don't think there will be a vaccine?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Great8

This

I mean this whole panacea idea is kind of silly. We have an influenza vaccine and it’s about 40% effective by the time it is administered because viruses can and do mutate. Sure we will eventually have a vaccine but anybody that thinks that’s the end of it is fooling themselves.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by stumppy

You don't think there will be a vaccine?

Do you honestly think a vaccine is going to just magically stop this thing?

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by DaFace

There's a ton of research about childhood development and how you can never really get years back - especially for younger kids. There are super strong correlations between kids who are behind in reading skills by grade 3, for example, and long-term academic and financial performance.



It's a little weaker for high-school kids, but at best we're gonna have a generation of kids who got a shitty high school education, which is foundational to higher-education enrollment and performance. (Not sure about studies with regard to non-academic paths beyond high school.) And I'm sure people around here can remember the strong social experiences they had in high school which are now being damaged.

I was referring to social progression. That short of a time frame over 17 or 18 years should not cause any problems that cannot or will not be overcome easily.

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