***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[IA_Chiefs_fan]

Originally Posted by O.city

They need to look at recycling air and turning it over in schools via HVAC and such, rather than shields and all that crap.

Put Hepa filters all over the place.

Back in March I switched to using Merv 12 filters at our business.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by TLO

I want to see more about kids being able to transmit to adults. The waters have been so muddied on the issue now that it's hard to find good concise data.

Dr. Haseltine had some good info tonight and that you have to break down kids by age so here is what he is seeing:

Ages 0-6: kids transmit the virus the most of any age group by a factor of 1000

Ages 6-13: this age group will get the worst symptoms, ie hospitalizations

Ages 13-above: transmit and receive just like adults

Also he pointed out that since this is a coronavirus just like the cold, kids are the main transmitters of both colds and flu so you can expect the same with covid.


Some good news an Infectious Disease Doctor from the Mayo clinic is talking about his study and their finding that current vaccines is contributing to the asymptomatic people.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Dr. Haseltine had some good info tonight and that you have to break down kids by age so here is what he is seeing:

Ages 0-6: kids transmit the virus the most of any age group by a factor of 1000

Ages 6-13: this age group will get the worst symptoms, ie hospitalizations

Ages 13-above: transmit and receive just like adults

Also he pointed out that since this is a coronavirus just like the cold, kids are the main transmitters of both colds and flu so you can expect the same with covid.


Some good news an Infectious Disease Doctor from the Mayo clinic is talking about his study and their finding that current vaccines is contributing to the asymptomatic people.

890 kids between 0-19 have been diagnosed with Covid in JoCo in the last 4.5 months. 1 death has occurred and that was an 18 year old last week.

I'd like to see more about Dr. Haseltine's study....

[O.city]

If they were transmitting it that way, we’d have seen it thru out daycares and such already

I’d like to see where he’s getting his info

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

I must have missed it. Cliff notes? I'm exhausted tonight.

Based on my understanding, that actual study found that there were zero situations where it can be traced to kids spreading it to adults.

There was one case of a 16 year old to a 14 year old

[O.city]

https://twitter.com/avik/status/1292...274878464?s=21

Here’s another one

[Strongside]

Those numbers sound off to me.

[O.city]

So the Nebraska governor says the White House messed up when classifying then as a red area because some of their positive tests were some of the same person testing positive multiple times

How do we have our data this ****ed up. That’s another area we’ve dropped the ball

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by O.city

Based on my understanding, that actual study found that there were zero situations where it can be traced to kids spreading it to adults.

There was one case of a 16 year old to a 14 year old

If kids are known spreaders of other coronavirus why would it be different with this one? You assume their immune systems are capable s of dealing with lesser ones more easily yet still seem to spread it.

I haven’t really kept up with the mess of articles out there , nothing coming out seems to clarify things very well so I was gonna wait for the movie.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Monticore

If kids are known spreaders of other coronavirus why would it be different with this one? You assume their immune systems are capable s of dealing with lesser ones more easily yet still seem to spread it.

I haven’t really kept up with the mess of articles out there , nothing coming out seems to clarify things very well so I was gonna wait for the movie.

I don’t know. It seems to be so far that they aren’t really spreading it

I don’t know that anyone really understands why

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

If they were transmitting it that way, we’d have seen it thru out daycares and such already

I’d like to see where he’s getting his info

The entire state of Kansas has had almost 3,000 cases in kids 0-17 and 0 deaths. This at least does not mesh with the report that some of these kids will have the worst of the symptoms and wind up in the hospital. Out of those 3,000 cases only 30 ended up needing to be hospitalized.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

890 kids between 0-19 have been diagnosed with Covid in JoCo in the last 4.5 months. 1 death has occurred and that was an 18 year old last week.

I'd like to see more about Dr. Haseltine's study....

Originally Posted by O.city

If they were transmitting it that way, we’d have seen it thru out daycares and such already

I’d like to see where he’s getting his info

He stated like others have kids especially that young are now just getting out and being exposed and they are almost all asymptomatic.

There was a recent small study out of Chicago that showed that kids had a viral load 100x more than adults but was inclusive if they spread. My guess he is referencing that study and also his expert experience with viruses in general.

But I think his main point is that kids are the main drivers of cold and flu in households so why would covid be any different especially since it has the same receptor as a cold. That is why there was and maybe still is some hope that a vaccine will stop alot of colds and other cornoviruses.

Here is that study btw https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2768952

[Redbled]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, I do. On a conference call with a client right now.

The random questions make so much more sense now.

[dirk digler]

Here is part of the video btw. The other lady guest is currently doing a study on children and covid.

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"You'," he adds. https://t.co/jNGlc8ndjZ pic.twitter.com/cuv55qKdmO

— Anderson Cooper 360° (@AC360) August 11, 2020

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Here is part of the video btw. The other lady guest is currently doing a study on children and covid.

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"You'," he adds. https://t.co/jNGlc8ndjZ pic.twitter.com/cuv55qKdmO

— Anderson Cooper 360° (@AC360) August 11, 2020

The question is not the positive tests though, it's the actual ability for children to transmit the virus. Children carry much more COVID viral RNA but that doesn't necessarily equate to sharing.

This is a lengthy article/blog but very good. I encourage you to read it.

Basically, we still don't know enough about this to draw conclusions to either side with children. I do think they transmit this virus less than you'd expect though, and certainly less than adults (that's pretty clear).

https://healthblog.uofmhealth.org/ch...emains-unclear