Looks like Spagnuolo [favorite for] DC

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Former Giants’ DC and HC Steve Spagnuolo has emerged as the favorite to replace Bob Sutton as the Chiefs’ defensive coordinator, per sources.

Spagnuolo and Andy Reid worked together in Philadelphia, share the same agent and have a mutual respect for each other’s work.

— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) January 23, 2019

The #Chiefs are hiring Steve Spagnuolo as their new defensive coordinator, sources say. The former #Giants DC and interim HC/#Rams HC began his NFL coaching career as an #Eagles assistant under Andy Reid. Now rejoins Big Red in KC.

— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) January 24, 2019

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Chiefs4TheWin

You both make great points. Scheme wise I'm still a 3-4 fan, but you convinced me that the players suck in it. Although they may just suck period.

I think with so many 3-4 teams it's harder and harder to find the specific pieces you need to run it effectively.

Couple that with Sutton's inability to mold anything to the players he did have, and you have a problem.

It seems to me that the 3-4 has less room for error due to it's reliance on Bigger linemen and interior linebackers.

the players that played this season didn't seem all that suited specifically in the front 7 other than Ford and Houston as edge rushers and Ragland. Problem is, Ragland's too slow and can't cover, and Ford is a one trick pony that is a liability at everything else.

Every single one of the players in the front seven other than those players is more suited to a 4-3 front. Every single one. And-if Houston reworks his deal to a cap friendly number, he'd be just fine as a RDE in the 4-3 with pretty much prototypical size and skillset. It'll literally be easier for him; he'll line up in the same spot basically he just won't drop into coverage ever unless it's some crazy zone blitz.

Hitchens, DoD, Speaks, Kpass, Jones, Williams all project easily into their roles in a 3-4.

Dee Ford does not, and it's unlikely we were going to pay him $15-$20 million a year anyway, so tag and trade is pretty likely.

Spags or no, I think this transition has been something they've been planning if you consider last year's draft. I think they knew this was the spot where the contracts were going to allow them to make the change.

[tmax63]

I almost get the feeling that last year Big Red and the personnel side wanted to move towards a 4-3 and drafted/signed FA accordingly. They expected Sutton to adjust scheme accordingly but he didn't buy in. That's why he's gone today. We all know how loyal Reid is, but to fire BS on Tues following a Sun loss he really had to be pissed off for a long time to move that quickly against Sutton.
Like some of the people here, I think the defensive personnel match up/line up better in a 4-3 than a 3-4. Ford, Houston, Speaks and K-Pass can all put their hand in the dirt at DE. Jones, Nnadi, Williams can all play inside. I personally think Ragland could put on 10-15 pounds and put his hand down and be a DE as well if you wanted to pass on Ford or Houston doesn't want to restructure/take a pay cut. Ward and Fuller at CB, Watts, Lucas, Dirty Dan at the S spots and I think the talent is there for a top 1/2 defense. Draft a LB, CB and BPA in the first 2 rounds and you have already improved on paper.

[UChieffyBugger]

It would be utterly stupid to just hand pick this guy because he used to kiss Andy's ass In Philly and totally ignore other candidates. We've just seen what Andy's friend has just done to our season. I for one would be more comfortable with a guy who has no ties to him at all and would be his own man. I hope to see at least three guys interviewed before they make a decision. Because this Spags guy's record is frightening tbh.

[Matrix]

I'm just thankful he's not going to be the HC. Man, was that a disaster. sigh...

[Beef Supreme]

The issues isn't 4-3 vs 3-4. The question is, can you game plan for a specific team, and can you adjust quickly if your game plan is getting out game planned? Can you exploit matchups, and cover up match up weaknesses? If some dude comes in here with "His Scheme" and lives or dies by it, we are ****ed against good teams like the Patriots.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by Beef Supreme

The issues isn't 4-3 vs 3-4. The question is, can you game plan for a specific team, and can you adjust quickly if your game plan is getting out game planned. If some dude comes in here with "His Scheme" and lives or dies by it, we are ****ed against good teams like the Patriots.

This is exactly the issue. Not once did we plan on trying to limit what a team did best. Seemed like no plan.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Beef Supreme

The issues isn't 4-3 vs 3-4. The question is, can you game plan for a specific team, and can you adjust quickly if your game plan is getting out game planned. If some dude comes in here with "His Scheme" and lives or dies by it, we are ****ed against good teams like the Patriots.

It's not so much about 3-4 vs. 4-3 although there are personnel issues with either.

It's also about a coordinator and staff that can figure out how to best utilize the talent available to them and to make sure those players are in the best possible situation to succeed.

Then on top of that, to be able to make adjustments based on opponent.

Sutton was terrible at all of that.

[Sassy Squatch]

Meh. If this really was the guy we'd at least have heard about negotiations by now. At the very least we're doing due diligence, and that's all I can ask for.

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by Top

I found this to add to this .

The truth about New York's new abortion law (Bill S00240). Abortion after 24 weeks is now ALLOWED and it is LEGAL to harm a woman and kill her unborn child. Details and FACTS inside.
LYING MSM

There is a lot of fake news going around (even here) that the new abortion laws in New York only allow for abortions after 24 weeks for "exceptional cases" or "extreme circumstances". This is FALSE. I've read through the entire bill and all of the penal/health/education laws that it repeals so you don't have to. Here is the REAL DEAL on what this abortion bill actually does.

Prior to this bill, it was illegal for anyone who was not a licensed physician to perform an abortion. This bill makes it legal for a practitioner of medicine or someone "Certified" (whatever that means) to perform abortions up to 24 weeks for any reason. After 24 weeks they may only perform an abortion is the pregnancy isn't viable or the life of the mother is in danger. It is important to note that the main thing about this section of the bill is that now people that are not licensed doctors may perform abortions. The 24 week language here is not important, and we'll get to why in a second:

A health care practitioner licensed, certified, or authorized under title eight of the education law, acting within his or her lawful scope of practice, may perform an abortion when, according to the practitioner's reasonable and good faith professional judgment based on the facts of the patient's case: the patient is within twenty-four weeks from the commencement of pregnancy, or there is an absence of fetal viability, or the abortion is necessary to protect the patient's life or health.

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So why is it being said that abortions after 24 weeks are made legal by this bill? Well because this bill does exactly that. To find out how, we have to dig deeper. I'm not going to go into every penal law that the bill repeals/changes, just the important ones that you need to know about. All quoted text from bill S00240 is from this link: https://assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?de...%26nbspVotes=Y

Sections 125.40, 125.45, 125.50, 125.55 and 125.60 of the penal law are REPEALED

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What do these sections say that are being repealed here? Let's take a look:

Section 125.40 of the penal law (https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/125.40)

A person is guilty of abortion in the second degree when he commits an abortional act upon a female, unless such abortional act is justifiable pursuant to subdivision three of section 125.05. Abortion in the second degree is a class E felony.

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Now we have to read 125.05 to find out what the exceptions are (https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/125.05)

"Justifiable abortional act." An abortional act is justifiable when committed upon a female with her consent by a duly licensed physician acting (a) under a reasonable belief that such is necessary to preserve her life, or, (b) within twenty-four weeks from the commencement of her pregnancy. A pregnant female's commission of an abortional act upon herself is justifiable when she acts upon the advice of a duly licensed physician (1) that such act is necessary to preserve her life, or, (2) within twenty-four weeks from the commencement of her pregnancy. The submission by a female to an abortional act is justifiable when she believes that it is being committed by a duly licensed physician, acting under a reasonable belief that such act is necessary to preserve her life, or, within twenty-four weeks from the commencement of her pregnancy.

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Ok so now we see that they are removing the requirements for a legal abortion to be within 24 weeks, for the abortion to have to be done by a licensed physician, or that the mothers life needs to be in danger. These requirements no longer exist, this paves the way for them to allow people who are not doctors to perform abortions and for abortions after 24 weeks to be legal.

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Also being repealed is Section 125.45 (https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/125.45)

A person is guilty of abortion in the first degree when he commits upon a female pregnant for more than twenty-four weeks an abortional act which causes the miscarriage of such female, unless such abortional act is justifiable pursuant to subdivision three of section 125.05. Abortion in the first degree is a class D felony.

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VERY important to note that this is about murders who cause the death of an unborn child by harming the mother, say a drunk driver hitting a pregnant woman where the mother lives but the baby dies. This removes the penalty for killing the child.

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Section 125.50 has been repealed as well (https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/125.50):

A female is guilty of self-abortion in the second degree when, being pregnant, she commits or submits to an abortional act upon herself, unless such abortional act is justifiable pursuant to subdivision three of section 125.05. Self-abortion in the second degree is a class B misdemeanor.

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Section 125.50 is the same as 125.40, except it's when a women does the illegal abortion to herself. This makes it legal for a woman to kill her child after 24 weeks on her own.

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Section 125.60 was also repealed (https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/125.60):

A person is guilty of issuing abortional articles when he manufactures, sells or delivers any instrument, article, medicine, drug or substance with intent that the same be used in unlawfully procuring the miscarriage of a female. Issuing abortional articles is a class B misdemeanor.

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What else do we have in this bill? It says:

Section 4164 of the public health law is REPEALED.

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What is Section 4164 of the health law, and why do they need it repealed? (https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PBH/4164)

When an abortion is to be performed after the twelfth week of pregnancy it shall be performed only in a hospital and only on an in-patient basis. When an abortion is to be performed after the twentieth week of pregnancy, a physician other than the physician performing the abortion shall be in attendance to take control of and to provide immediate medical care for any live birth that is the result of the abortion. The commissioner of health is authorized to promulgate rules and regulations to insure the health and safety of the mother and the viable child, in such instances.

2. Such child shall be accorded immediate legal protection under the laws of the state of New York, including but not limited to applicable provisions of the social services law, article five of the civil rights law and the penal law.

3. The medical records of all life-sustaining efforts put forth for such a live aborted birth, their failure or success, shall be kept by attending physician. All other vital statistics requirements in the public health law shall be complied with in regard to such aborted child.

4. In the event of the subsequent death of the aborted child, the disposal of the dead body shall be in accordance with the requirements of this chapter.

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But we aren't done yet, we still have subsection 8 of New York Education Law 6811 that was repealed:

Subdivision 8 of section 6811 of the education law is REPEALED.

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What does this subsection say?

(https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/educati...sect-6811.html)

Any person to sell or distribute any instrument or article, or any recipe, drug or medicine for the prevention of conception to a minor under the age of sixteen years; the sale or distribution of such to a person other than a minor under the age of sixteen years is authorized only by a licensed pharmacist but the advertisement or display of said articles, within or without the premises of such pharmacy is hereby prohibited;

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So there you have it. Exactly how New York bill S00240 made it legal to perform abortions after 24 weeks, and removed criminal penalties for people that kill unborn children in the process of hurting their mothers. This is one of the most disgusting things I've ever seen coming from the left.

How legal is it to abort a 67 year old man? Chiefs might be in trouble.

[MahomesMagic]

4-3

Kpass/Speaks Jones Bailey Houston

Can lose Ford or if he stays could be a Mingo SSLB.
Hitchens mike
O'Daniel WSLB

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

4-3

Kpass/Speaks Jones Bailey Houston

Can lose Ford or if he stays could be a Mingo SSLB.
Hitchens mike
O'Daniel WSLB

Bailey is gone.

Nnadi and Jones will be our DT’s.

[dallaschiefsfan]

I feel all this angst or excitement over one candidate over the other for DC is mostly irrelevant when it comes to the desire for a particular scheme or particular level of creativity of fresh ideas. While I admit scheme and ability to be creative and disguise coverages and such needs an improvement over Sutton...in my mind...the most important aspect of a new DC is their ability to address four things:

1. Ability to teach/develop player with untapped potential and "coach-up" players that are willing to work hard and desire to play above their talent-level.
2. Discipline & Accountability - no toleration of unforced errors and not knowing your job (See Dee Ford - lack of discipline cost us the game).
3. Tackling - It's so bad around the NFL, if you even do this marginally better than everyone else, your defensive rankings will rise dramatically.
4. Adjustments in-game - THE MOST FRUSTRATING aspect of Sutton.

I don't think you need the next best, creative guy to accomplish these things. Although I'd love to have both. Point being...whether it's an exciting hire or boring hire, if you fix even 3 of the 4 issues above, we're all going to really like the results. If you change scheme and get crazy-creative and address none of the above-4 issues, I'm fairly certain we won't like the results.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

I feel all this angst or excitement over one candidate over the other for DC is mostly irrelevant when it comes to the desire for a particular scheme or particular level of creativity of fresh ideas. While I admit scheme and ability to be creative and disguise coverages and such needs an improvement over Sutton...in my mind...the most important aspect of a new DC is their ability to address four things:

1. Ability to teach/develop player with untapped potential and "coach-up" players that are willing to work hard and desire to play above their talent-level.
2. Discipline & Accountability - no toleration of unforced errors and not knowing your job (See Dee Ford - lack of discipline cost us the game).
3. Tackling - It's so bad around the NFL, if you even do this marginally better than everyone else, your defensive rankings will rise dramatically.
4. Adjustments in-game - THE MOST FRUSTRATING aspect of Sutton.

I don't think you need the next best, creative guy to accomplish these things. Although I'd love to have both. Point being...whether it's an exciting hire or boring hire, if you fix even 3 of the 4 issues above, we're all going to really like the results. If you change scheme and get crazy-creative and address none of the above-4 issues, I'm fairly certain we won't like the results.

No kidding. If you have one or two great tacklers on your defense nowadays, you're probably a top 15 defense for that alone.

[nychief]

We are not trading Dee Ford. He’s going to play under the tag this year.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by dallaschiefsfan

I feel all this angst or excitement over one candidate over the other for DC is mostly irrelevant when it comes to the desire for a particular scheme or particular level of creativity of fresh ideas. While I admit scheme and ability to be creative and disguise coverages and such needs an improvement over Sutton...in my mind...the most important aspect of a new DC is their ability to address four things:

1. Ability to teach/develop player with untapped potential and "coach-up" players that are willing to work hard and desire to play above their talent-level.
2. Discipline & Accountability - no toleration of unforced errors and not knowing your job (See Dee Ford - lack of discipline cost us the game).
3. Tackling - It's so bad around the NFL, if you even do this marginally better than everyone else, your defensive rankings will rise dramatically.
4. Adjustments in-game - THE MOST FRUSTRATING aspect of Sutton.

I don't think you need the next best, creative guy to accomplish these things. Although I'd love to have both. Point being...whether it's an exciting hire or boring hire, if you fix even 3 of the 4 issues above, we're all going to really like the results. If you change scheme and get crazy-creative and address none of the above-4 issues, I'm fairly certain we won't like the results.

smart, well reasoned post.