***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

As effective? No probably not. If you had MMR uptake at 45-50 percent, maybe similar. I'm not sure though.

We're at 90% in New York for adults with at least 1 dose.

Based on that we should be good this winter, right?

[TLO]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

We're at 90% in New York for adults with at least 1 dose.

Based on that we should be good this winter, right?

How many deaths is New York reporting in these heavily vaccinated areas?

[NotDonger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Go review recent CDC statements and Bill Gates.

They have backtracked on this. Why are you pushing the old storyline?

You asked me to read the study you posted. I have and responded to it. No vaccine is "perfect" as the author claims.

I'm not sure what they have backtracked on, or what old storyline I'm pushing. I'm just trying to understand how you define a "leaky" vaccine. It seems you don't want to provide that definition, and that's fine.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by TLO

How many deaths is New York reporting in these heavily vaccinated areas?

Deaths is a topic best for DC. I was just trying to understand QCity's position on the vaccines efficacy against infection.

As for an answer, we'll find out. Our Covid season just started.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by NotDonger

You asked me to read the study you posted. I have and responded to it. No vaccine is "perfect" as the author claims.

I'm not sure what they have backtracked on, or what old storyline I'm pushing. I'm just trying to understand how you define a "leaky" vaccine. It seems you don't want to provide that definition, and that's fine.

The definition was right there. Prevent symptoms but not infections.

By that definition, covid-19 vaccines are leaky.

As for how many other angels can dance on the head of a pin, had enough for today.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by Nirvana58

Your own response from the author literally proved what he was saying.

We don't know at the moment how leaky these things are. It's conceivable that they are actually close to non-leaky.

No where in there does he say these vaccines aren't by definition leaky. Just that it could be conceivable that they are close to non leaky.

Read it again. MM called the vaccines leaky. The author himself says we don't actually know that, and they could be non-leaky. All evidence at this point indicates the vaccines are much closer to non-leaky. The point is you cannot make a definitive claim either way. MM did that, not me or the author.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by Fish

Read it again. MM called the vaccines leaky. The author himself says we don't actually know that, and they could be non-leaky. All evidence at this point indicates the vaccines are much closer to non-leaky. The point is you cannot make a definitive claim either way. MM did that, not me or the author.

We don't know? Yes, we know.

Read the statements from the CDC and listen to Mr. Vaccine Bill Gates.


These don't stop infections. If they do, why are mutiple states asking the vaccinated to wear masks?

[NotDonger]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

The definition was right there. Prevent symptoms but not infections.

Okay. And by that definition, all vaccines are "leaky" since no vaccine prevents 100% of infections, including the ones listed.

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

By that definition, covid-19 vaccines are leaky.

Correct, they are. Just like every other vaccine is.

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by NotDonger

Okay. And by that definition, all vaccines are "leaky" since no vaccine prevents 100% of infections, including the ones listed.



Correct, they are. Just like every other vaccine is.

Strange cross to want to die on, but carry on.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

We're at 90% in New York for adults with at least 1 dose.

Based on that we should be good this winter, right?

We know 1 dose isn't complete though. So why would you bring that up here?

[MahomesMagic]

Originally Posted by O.city

We know 1 dose isn't complete though. So why would you bring that up here?

I saw Hochul our governor touting it. So it stuck with me.

Of those maybe some were J&J?

Full regimen is about 12 points lower.

[ghak99]

It appears the new court ruling blocked the health care facility employee mandate in 10 states. Hopefully, it relieves some pressure while things continue to be sorted out.

Do this apply to your staff issues TLO?

[dirk digler]

JUST IN: @CDCgov confirms first case of #OmicronVariant in the USA. Individual is in California and returned from S. Africa on 11/22. "The individual, who was fully vaccinated and had mild symptoms that are improving, is self-quarantining and has been since testing positive."

— Ed O'Keefe (@edokeefe) December 1, 2021

[O.city]

Everyone else in his house has apparently tested negative the entire time.

[jdubya]

Originally Posted by Bugeater

Heh...wait until tomorrow...

Like last time, minor joint pain with the skin eebie jeebies. A bit uncomfortable but not slowing the day down at all.