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Old 10-17-2017, 09:22 AM   #2
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Is it just me or have we forgotten all the motion and misdirection stuff that worked so well for us early in the season? Wouldn't that help open some holes up? Sometimes it seems like as soon as something proves successful, Andy hates doing it anymore. The ultimate not-broke-fixer.
Steelers defense is fast. Don't think it would have worked for them if we had used it more.
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Old 10-17-2017, 09:24 AM   #3
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Steelers defense is fast. Don't think it would have worked for them if we had used it more.
I wish we would have at least tried. It's bullshit that Andy is so stupid to not use the Kelce option with Tyreek and Hunt in the backfield on that 4th down try.

that play literally has not failed one time all season.
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Old 10-17-2017, 09:25 AM   #4
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I wish we would have at least tried. It's bullshit that Andy is so stupid to not use the Kelce option with Tyreek and Hunt in the backfield on that 4th down try.

that play literally has not failed one time all season.
Oh don't get me wrong....we should have been using it until they proved that they could shut it down consistently. Reid and the offense got punched in the mouth and decided to ****ing give up until the 3rd quarter.
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Old 10-17-2017, 10:27 AM   #5
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I wish we would have at least tried. It's bullshit that Andy is so stupid to not use the Kelce option with Tyreek and Hunt in the backfield on that 4th down try.

that play literally has not failed one time all season.
Sheeeet. I didn't even think of that. Would have been good to try on 3rd down, too. Instead of making Kareem run into a wall for a yard.
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Old 10-17-2017, 09:12 PM   #6
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Steelers defense is fast. Don't think it would have worked for them if we had used it more.
On the flip side of this, that kind of motion can get fast linebackers more out of position than slow ones, and they have a further distance to recover.

I saw a breakdown early in the week where Shazier had made that mistake several times this season and ran himself out of the play.

When guys like Shazier are on, like Sunday, they are deadly. But if you just show them a wrinkle they are their own worst enemy.
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Old 10-17-2017, 09:22 AM   #7
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Is it just me or have we forgotten all the motion and misdirection stuff that worked so well for us early in the season? Wouldn't that help open some holes up? Sometimes it seems like as soon as something proves successful, Andy hates doing it anymore. The ultimate not-broke-fixer.
I was just about to ask that myself. No jet sweeps to Tyreek, no shovel passes to Kelce...it seems like the offense went vanilla about two games ago.
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Old 10-17-2017, 09:49 AM   #8
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I was just about to ask that myself. No jet sweeps to Tyreek, no shovel passes to Kelce...it seems like the offense went vanilla about two games ago.
I noticed that too...at least against the Steelers. I'm not sure if was due to losing Conely/Wilson or game planning for both the Raiders/Pittsburgh. I would think KC would prioritize beating the Raiders as they are divisional.

3 games in 11 days is a ruff roll and sudden injuries complicated it...this was the Chiefs toughest stretch.

KC definitely didn't use much misdirection on Sunday...curious if it was intentional.
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Old 10-17-2017, 11:49 AM   #9
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I noticed that too...at least against the Steelers. I'm not sure if was due to losing Conely/Wilson or game planning for both the Raiders/Pittsburgh. I would think KC would prioritize beating the Raiders as they are divisional.

3 games in 11 days is a ruff roll and sudden injuries complicated it...this was the Chiefs toughest stretch.

KC definitely didn't use much misdirection on Sunday...curious if it was intentional.
I've noticed that they've been going to that deceptive stuff less and less by the week. I have no stats to back up that claim, but i started noticing after the Philly game that they weren't really going into that well much anymore. At least not like in weeks 1 and 2.
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Old 10-17-2017, 12:05 PM   #10
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I was just about to ask that myself. No jet sweeps to Tyreek, no shovel passes to Kelce...it seems like the offense went vanilla about two games ago.
I remember a couple of years back when we knocked the crap out of New England on a Monday night game...all sorts of innovative play calling...was excited to think this was the new normal...and then nothing even close for the rest of the season.

Last year in the playoff game, on one of the first, if not the first, drives against Steelers...lots of different stuff...scored a touchdown. That was it for the game...vanilla offense after that.

I don't get what goes through his head.
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Old 10-17-2017, 02:40 PM   #11
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I remember a couple of years back when we knocked the crap out of New England on a Monday night game...all sorts of innovative play calling...was excited to think this was the new normal...and then nothing even close for the rest of the season.

Last year in the playoff game, on one of the first, if not the first, drives against Steelers...lots of different stuff...scored a touchdown. That was it for the game...vanilla offense after that.

I don't get what goes through his head.
This is exactly what I was thinking of. It's like he's scared they'll figure it out and he stops doing it way before they ever actually do.
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Old 10-17-2017, 11:46 AM   #12
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Is it just me or have we forgotten all the motion and misdirection stuff that worked so well for us early in the season? Wouldn't that help open some holes up? Sometimes it seems like as soon as something proves successful, Andy hates doing it anymore. The ultimate not-broke-fixer.
They've been moving away from it little by little each week it seems. I think a big part of it is that teams are adjusting. That triple option shovel pass is incredibly dangerous if the defense guesses right.

A few weeks ago a team, maybe it was the Chargers, were really keying in on it well.
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Old 10-17-2017, 12:26 PM   #13
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Is it just me or have we forgotten all the motion and misdirection stuff that worked so well for us early in the season? Wouldn't that help open some holes up? Sometimes it seems like as soon as something proves successful, Andy hates doing it anymore. The ultimate not-broke-fixer.
My guess is that it had to do (partially) with backup WR's not being able to execute all the presnap motion, etc. Let them worry about the routes without any illegal formation, movement, etc.
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Old 10-17-2017, 02:41 PM   #14
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My guess is that it had to do (partially) with backup WR's not being able to execute all the presnap motion, etc. Let them worry about the routes without any illegal formation, movement, etc.
That's at least a reason. Hopefully Robinson will get up to speed and become a useful part of the offense (getting wide open 20+ yards downfield gives us nothing)
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