***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by O.city

A couple cardiologist broke down the study as well and it wasn’t very good

Not sure what to think

I consider it something between anecdotal evidence and a real study. At the very least it's strong impetus to do more and larger studies.

It's not however representative of the infected pool at large. So the problem is most people just hear "78 out of 100". Thinking about how that pool of 100 was selected is not in the average person's understanding.

Also there are questions about what elevated troponin actually means - which is probably what the cardiologists took issue with.

[Demonpenz]

Real people will real knowledge are in charge and making the right choices for the kids and falculity

[loochy]

Originally Posted by Demonpenz

Real people will real knowledge are in charge and making the right choices for the kids and falculity

if you believe that

also if I'm being 'penzd

and because you can never type properly

[Discuss Thrower]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19664576/

[O.city]

Originally Posted by loochy

if you believe that

also if I'm being 'penzd

and because you can never type properly

I will say, here at our kids school, they've done a really good job with communication and the things theyr'e doing.

Whether it works or not, who knows.

If the goal is zero infections, well, I have a pretty good idea how that will play out.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Yes, I am aware of that. And the problem is some of the districts are taking everything to all remote including elementary. I don't know how more plainly it needs to be put but you CANNOT TEACH A 7 YEAR OLD OVER A COMPUTER!

My boss has 2 boys that age that are going to do all virtual again this year. Man up Pete.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

My boss has 2 boys that age that are going to do all virtual again this year. Man up Pete.

I don't give a ****. Just because they are doing it doesn't mean they should or it is a good idea. Why don't you man the **** up and look outside your fear bubble for a few and see the ancillary and according to the CDC worse damage you are doing to these kids by keeping them out of school??

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Kidd Lex

Actually I have a recently turned 7 year old and he took courses to end kindergarten over zoom and we’ve had him in Sylvan all summer also over zoom and hes tested out in the 98 percentile or better so they suggested he go straight to 2nd grade so he would stay academically challenged when the new year starts (bubble age, questionable maturity). We do read together a lot and complete math work books and flash cards but I strongly believe the majority of his academic gains the last 5 months from the online Sylvan courses, granted they are in smaller groups than he’d receive from remote elementary. My point is you CAN teach a 7 year old over a computer, but it takes intentional focus from schools and parents working in unison to pull off.

Exactly...highly impractical.....for every 1 child that does well with it how many don't?

And you don't know what he isn't learning by not being around children his age as well. But I get what you are saying.

[O.city]

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea..._campaign=news

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I don't give a ****. Just because they are doing it doesn't mean they should or it is a good idea. Why don't you man the **** up and look outside your fear bubble for a few and see the ancillary and according to the CDC worse damage you are doing to these kids by keeping them out of school??

You need to take the stick out of your butt I am just giving you a hard time. jfc man chill.

[suzzer99]

Never in the history of pete has telling pete to chill actually caused pete to chill.

It's like telling an angry woman to calm down.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

You need to take the stick out of your butt I am just giving you a hard time. jfc man chill.

NO!

[kgrund]

In fairness to Pete the consequences we have been going through from this stupid virus has put many, if not all, a bit on edge.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by O.city

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_relea..._campaign=news

Too bad it's not all that easy to test for t cells.

[TLO]

It actually appears that Missouri's 7 day % positive average is slowly dropping.

11.1% today. Not good - but at least it's not increasing.