EV Cars/Trucks

[synthesis2]

Agreed on the Solar Panels, that would be our next big buy.

But having a all electric car sure makes things easier on the wallet now.

We would be spending around $200 a week with our old cars, my family out in LA said gas prices are out of control.

[frozenchief]

Originally Posted by BWillie

The goal is to get almost everybody in the country to have solar panels. Sure it doesn't make sense for everyone but the majority of the country could have solar panels to create a large amount of their power each month. They are becoming more efficient and affordable everyday.

Or you know, we can just continue to be reliant on foreign oil.

I would think any way to lower our reliance on oil would be a cause for a celebration for your no government types. You can control your estate better without the help of the government.

We have more than enough oil in our own country that we do not need to rely on foreign oil. We have a ton of natural gas, too.

Right now, there are 2 zero-emissions power sources that make financial sense: solar and nuclear. The big issue with nuclear is the tremendous amount of regulations necessary before building a reactor. A 4th generation, liquid salt reactor would have the following benefits: 1) zero emissions; 2) fuel that could be re-processed, i.e., no 1,000 year radioactive toxic waste); 3) proven safety record; and 4) substantially lower cost.

The difficulty is that in the US, any nuclear reactor has to follow the one model that has been approved. And it's an outdated model that was purposefully inefficient so that the reactors could also process fuel for atomic weapons. 4G liquid salt reactors do not do that. The current approved model has safety mechanisms to slow down a reaction to prevent a chain reaction. 4G liquid salt reactors siphon off some energy from the reaction to sustain the reaction. So, old reactors need a break or the engine just keeps going. New reactors need a gentle foot on the gas or else the engine will slow down and stop.

[synthesis2]

for those of you who have EV's now does it not feel great to not have to pay what others are paying at the pump?

We have two cars, a tesla and my work car, I get a gas card so its sort of free in a way, but typically to fill up my car it was $28-32, now its $55 plus, just crazy.

With the tesla looking as how much our electric bill has gone up since having it its only $20-30 a month total and she drives the car 25k plus miles per year so I think we are saving 80% now compared with gas cars.

I know you can get cheaper EV's in the 20k range, I wonder why others are not switching faster?

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

for those of you who have EV's now does it not feel great to not have to pay what others are paying at the pump?



We have two cars, a tesla and my work car, I get a gas card so its sort of free in a way, but typically to fill up my car it was $28-32, now its $55 plus, just crazy.



With the tesla looking as how much our electric bill has gone up since having it its only $20-30 a month total and she drives the car 25k plus miles per year so I think we are saving 80% now compared with gas cars.



I know you can get cheaper EV's in the 20k range, I wonder why others are not switching faster?

I like it as much for avoiding gas stations as the cost itself. I don't really think about the savings side since I don't often buy gas, though it's obviously a nice benefit in the long run.

As for not switching faster, it still just depends on your use case. And the ones down at the $20k range will get you from place to place but aren't exactly luxury cars.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

I know you can get cheaper EV's in the 20k range, I wonder why others are not switching faster?

Because the range and time to recharge is still dogshit.

[synthesis2]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Because the range and time to recharge is still dogshit.

300 miles per day is plenty for us and when we do have to recharge we just use a fast charger , go into store and when you come
Out it’s about 70% full , had one for 3 years not one luck of problems and zero maintenance

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

300 miles per day is plenty for us and when we do have to recharge we just use a fast charger , go into store and when you come
Out it’s about 70% full , had one for 3 years not one luck of problems and zero maintenance

What does it cost to use someone's fast charger?

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

...I wonder why others are not switching faster?

Perhaps some of us are fine with our old vehicles and don't want a new car payment.

[synthesis2]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Perhaps some of us are fine with our old vehicles and don't want a new car payment.

I agree to each there own for sure, I guess my point was that its not just a fun car to drive but its very cost effective.

I don't know what kind of car you have but lets say you have a car that gets 20 miles per gallon ( again I have zero idea what you have) and you drive it 500 miles a week, again just a wild guess. if you buy standard unleaded at $4.50 a gallon, call it $112 per week for gas or $400-450 a month in gas. Then you add in maintenance per year of $1000-1500 a year in oil changes and other things that EV does not have to deal with. your average per month to drive a paid off car would be around $500-600 per month vs. $30-40 per month is electricity to charge. No oil changes, just a tire rotation which set up back $40. Say a Nissan leaf with 226 miles per charge with a net under 20k with tax breaks.

So if you say you can get a good range EV for 20k, and your monthly payment is $250 per month wouldn't you think you would come out ahead each month money wise compared with a paid off car? Again if you don't drive much it does not matter but it the above senerio it would seem to be looking through the googles of no monthly payment but paying so much in gas and maintenance vs. a car payment but so much less is power that you come out $150-200 ahead each month.

[synthesis2]

Heard Tesla is raising prices in the next few weeks... uhhhh. Hope they keep the Cybertruck at the price we put the deposit on.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by synthesis2

I agree to each there own for sure, I guess my point was that its not just a fun car to drive but its very cost effective.

I don't know what kind of car you have but lets say you have a car that gets 20 miles per gallon ( again I have zero idea what you have) and you drive it 500 miles a week, again just a wild guess. if you buy standard unleaded at $4.50 a gallon, call it $112 per week for gas or $400-450 a month in gas. Then you add in maintenance per year of $1000-1500 a year in oil changes and other things that EV does not have to deal with. your average per month to drive a paid off car would be around $500-600 per month vs. $30-40 per month is electricity to charge. No oil changes, just a tire rotation which set up back $40. Say a Nissan leaf with 226 miles per charge with a net under 20k with tax breaks.

So if you say you can get a good range EV for 20k, and your monthly payment is $250 per month wouldn't you think you would come out ahead each month money wise compared with a paid off car? Again if you don't drive much it does not matter but it the above senerio it would seem to be looking through the googles of no monthly payment but paying so much in gas and maintenance vs. a car payment but so much less is power that you come out $150-200 ahead each month.

Truck gets about 15-20 mpg. It is mostly only driven to and from work (11 miles through town one way M-F) and occasionally other places like Lowes (maybe 20 miles round trip). Not sure where you get $1000-$1500 yearly oil and maintenance but mine is not anywhere near that.

Other vehicle is a Kia Optima. It gets about 28-32 mpg. It is driven to and from work (about 9 miles one way through town, M-F but there are some days the wife works from home) and anywhere else we go that doesn't need a truck to haul stuff. Still think your oil and maintenance estimate is way high.

And, of course, I ride a motorcycle as much as I can during the warm weather months.

Yeah, no, still cheaper than buying a new electric vehicle, especially when you add in the insurance and property tax. And really, where are you going to find a EV for 20k?

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Truck gets about 15-20 mpg. It is mostly only driven to and from work (11 miles through town one way M-F) and occasionally other places like Lowes (maybe 20 miles round trip). Not sure where you get $1000-$1500 yearly oil and maintenance but mine is not anywhere near that.

If you're only driving 6~7 thousand miles in a year, that's only half the American average. So that would explain part of it. And most years maintenance isn't that high, especially for new vehicles.

But of course always having a new vehicle is expensive. And if you keep a vehicle long enough, you eventually will get expensive repairs that will bump up the long term average.

A lot of drivers tend to under estimate just how much it costs in the long term.

Until they do something like try and make a living driving for Uber.

[synthesis2]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Truck gets about 15-20 mpg. It is mostly only driven to and from work (11 miles through town one way M-F) and occasionally other places like Lowes (maybe 20 miles round trip). Not sure where you get $1000-$1500 yearly oil and maintenance but mine is not anywhere near that.

Other vehicle is a Kia Optima. It gets about 28-32 mpg. It is driven to and from work (about 9 miles one way through town, M-F but there are some days the wife works from home) and anywhere else we go that doesn't need a truck to haul stuff. Still think your oil and maintenance estimate is way high.

And, of course, I ride a motorcycle as much as I can during the warm weather months.

Yeah, no, still cheaper than buying a new electric vehicle, especially when you add in the insurance and property tax. And really, where are you going to find a EV for 20k?

You can get a Nissian Leaf for $27-28k and with tax incentives its nets you down to around 20K. so easy to find and saves lots of cash.

[jjjayb]

Originally Posted by BWillie

The goal is to get almost everybody in the country to have solar panels. Sure it doesn't make sense for everyone but the majority of the country could have solar panels to create a large amount of their power each month. They are becoming more efficient and affordable everyday.

Or you know, we can just continue to be reliant on foreign oil.

I would think any way to lower our reliance on oil would be a cause for a celebration for your no government types. You can control your estate better without the help of the government.

We have enough oil to supply the world right here in the United States. Now, tell me, where do we get the batteries that power the electric cars? We don't have the minerals here to produce them. The argument of going electric to become "energy independent" is nonsense.