***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Yeah old people die from lots of things.

It doesn't mean you need to rush out and stock up on toilet paper bottled water and ammo.

At Costco they just buy all the TP.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by Rausch

So three times as many people have died from this than recovered?

Of those tested and confirmed.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Fish

Man, what a waste...

Airlines Are Flying Empty Flights as Travel Demand Plummets Due to Coronavirus

Currently, thousands of planes are flying empty back and forth doing ghost flights during the coronavirus outbreak due to a bizarre and ridiculous rule that forces airlines to use at least 80% of their landing slots or risk losing them.

The “use it or lose it” rule goes like this: an airline must use at least 80% of their allocated slots or it may lose them to rival airlines.

While it makes for a competitive market during regular flights, the decreased demand caused by coronavirus concerns is taking its toll on the aviation industry. With an expectancy of losing $113 billion in revenue this year, airlines are going to extreme measures.

[...]

They pack us in like sardines and treat us like shit in good times. Now they are going to want some sort of bailout.


But, they should suspend that stupid ass rule until this coronavirus runs its course.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Fish

Man, what a waste...

Airlines Are Flying Empty Flights as Travel Demand Plummets Due to Coronavirus

Currently, thousands of planes are flying empty back and forth doing ghost flights during the coronavirus outbreak due to a bizarre and ridiculous rule that forces airlines to use at least 80% of their landing slots or risk losing them.

The “use it or lose it” rule goes like this: an airline must use at least 80% of their allocated slots or it may lose them to rival airlines.

While it makes for a competitive market during regular flights, the decreased demand caused by coronavirus concerns is taking its toll on the aviation industry. With an expectancy of losing $113 billion in revenue this year, airlines are going to extreme measures.

[...]

I think that's just Europe.

[Gravedigger]

Yeah we're going to have to bail out the Airline Industry after this whole ordeal, just like with Automotive and Banks, even if a vaccine is only 4-6 months away in a positive outlook, they'll lose too much.

[ChiefBlueCFC]

My work just had a meeting on potentially banning travel and I'm a little irritated with the outcome. We do a lot of travel in general but specifically into and through Seattle (we are sending 3 people there over the next 2 weeks) lately. We're a small company (15 employees) and they've basically said they value money over anything else.

I'm not particularly overly worried about it, given my age and lack of preexisting conditions, but we have a decent amount that are a little older (60+) and have those preexisting conditions.

We have the ability to do our jobs remotely instead of in person and I understand the agreements but I think it shows a complete lack of remorse and an attitude of "it won't happen to us."

I like travel and I enjoy getting out of the office but it's just bothering me a little that it feels like they're not taking this seriously.

Maybe I'm not considering all the things that they are considering, which is entirely possible, but it's just bothering me.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by ChiefBlueCFC

My work just had a meeting on potentially banning travel and I'm a little irritated with the outcome. We do a lot of travel in general but specifically into and through Seattle (we are sending 3 people there over the next 2 weeks) lately. We're a small company (15 employees) and they've basically said they value money over anything else.

I'm not particularly overly worried about it, given my age and lack of preexisting conditions, but we have a decent amount that are a little older (60+) and have those preexisting conditions.

We have the ability to do our jobs remotely instead of in person and I understand the agreements but I think it shows a complete lack of remorse and an attitude of "it won't happen to us."

I like travel and I enjoy getting out of the office but it's just bothering me a little that it feels like they're not taking this seriously.

Maybe I'm not considering all the things that they are considering, which is entirely possible, but it's just bothering me.

Well that's Fd up considering that you can just do the work remotely...

[Sorce]

Originally Posted by Rausch

So it's only fatal if you're asian and in your 20's?...

It's particularly deadly to whistle blowers.

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[Pablo]

Originally Posted by ChiefBlueCFC

My work just had a meeting on potentially banning travel and I'm a little irritated with the outcome. We do a lot of travel in general but specifically into and through Seattle (we are sending 3 people there over the next 2 weeks) lately. We're a small company (15 employees) and they've basically said they value money over anything else.

I'm not particularly overly worried about it, given my age and lack of preexisting conditions, but we have a decent amount that are a little older (60+) and have those preexisting conditions.

We have the ability to do our jobs remotely instead of in person and I understand the agreements but I think it shows a complete lack of remorse and an attitude of "it won't happen to us."

I like travel and I enjoy getting out of the office but it's just bothering me a little that it feels like they're not taking this seriously.

Maybe I'm not considering all the things that they are considering, which is entirely possible, but it's just bothering me.

When you get back in from traveling make sure to have a long cough and sneeze filled visit in your boss' office. Hell, try to get their supervisor in as well. Want to make sure you fill them in on every little detail.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by ChiefBlueCFC

My work just had a meeting on potentially banning travel and I'm a little irritated with the outcome. We do a lot of travel in general but specifically into and through Seattle (we are sending 3 people there over the next 2 weeks) lately. We're a small company (15 employees) and they've basically said they value money over anything else.

I'm not particularly overly worried about it, given my age and lack of preexisting conditions, but we have a decent amount that are a little older (60+) and have those preexisting conditions.

We have the ability to do our jobs remotely instead of in person and I understand the agreements but I think it shows a complete lack of remorse and an attitude of "it won't happen to us."

I like travel and I enjoy getting out of the office but it's just bothering me a little that it feels like they're not taking this seriously.

Maybe I'm not considering all the things that they are considering, which is entirely possible, but it's just bothering me.

If I were you, I'd come up with some reason that they have to come with you guys, and see what they think then.

[ChiefBlueCFC]

Originally Posted by loochy

Well that's Fd up considering that you can just do the work remotely...

Exactly. The job would be more difficult doing it remotely, given that we aren't there to to look into issues, but it's still possible. It's just a completely shortsighted decision.

My direct supervisor (this wasn't his decision) is going to Seattle today, in like 25 minutes actually. And I know it isn't a given that he or any of us will get it, but it just makes me shake my head.

[TLO]

How have the number of confirmed cases been going over the past few days in the US?

(I'd prefer to see numbers that don't include the cruise ship ppl, if possible)

[Msmith]

Coronavirus Real-time news update

Link: https://thewuhanvirus.com/

[Donger]

Originally Posted by TLO

How have the number of confirmed cases been going over the past few days in the US?

(I'd prefer to see numbers that don't include the cruise ship ppl, if possible)

On May 4, we had 148 cases
On May 5, we had 221 cases
On May 6, we had 319 cases
On May 7, we had 435 cases
On May 8, we had 541 cases
On May 9, we had 658 cases
Today, we have 761 cases

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Donger

On May 4, we had 148 cases
On May 5, we had 221 cases
On May 6, we had 319 cases
On May 7, we had 435 cases
On May 8, we had 541 cases
On May 9, we had 658 cases
Today, we have 761 cases

That seems like a pretty steady incline, but I'm not seeing the "doubling" rates that people were discussing previously.