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Old 04-23-2019, 08:09 PM  
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Avengers (4) Endgame - Spoilers Welcome Thread
Since Endgame is probably one of the most anticipated films we've had here in a while, let's quarantine all discussion from those who have seen the film (or who have otherwise read spoilers). If you don't want to see stuff get spoiled, stay out!

(And this will likely be the last time I view this thread until Friday, so if you need me to put something in the OP or similar, shoot me a PM. I won't read posts in here.)
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Old 05-06-2019, 07:37 AM   #301
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Would have been a hell of a lot cooler than OMG WE'RE WOMEN LOOK AT US EVERYBODY DUCK LIPS
Well apparently that's the whole next phase so...
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Old 05-06-2019, 08:59 AM   #302
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The more I think about Professor Hulk, the more the way they ended up portraying him sucks. I guess it was all about Tony Stark though in the end, and they didn't want Hulk stealing the show, again.
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Old 05-06-2019, 09:02 AM   #303
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The more I think about Professor Hulk, the more the way they ended up portraying him sucks. I guess it was all about Tony Stark though in the end, and they didn't want Hulk stealing the show, again.
Yeah, that's the most glaring issue in an otherwise really solid show for me. I just wish that he could kind of swing between Hulk and Banner at will rather than being just Banner with a big green body.
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Old 05-06-2019, 11:11 AM   #304
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Yeah, that's the most glaring issue in an otherwise really solid show for me. I just wish that he could kind of swing between Hulk and Banner at will rather than being just Banner with a big green body.
I actually don't mind it, as I think it's a sensible conclusion to the Ruffalo arc, but they didn't really transition it very well from Infinity Wars.

It went straight from "two consciousnesses sharing the same body" to "Banner now just runs Hulk's body" with not a ton of explanation.

I like the development, personally, but I'm a Marvel homer. I just wish they had explained it a bit more thoroughly.

Even though this was a 3.5 hour movie.
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Old 05-06-2019, 11:12 AM   #305
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Truth be told, I got goosebumps at that moment knowing that Clay was in another theater somewhere pissed off that women got a scene.
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I actually don't mind it, as I think it's a sensible conclusion to the Ruffalo arc, but they didn't really transition it very well from Infinity Wars.

It went straight from "two consciousnesses sharing the same body" to "Banner now just runs Hulk's body" with not a ton of explanation.

I like the development, personally, but I'm a Marvel homer. I just wish they had explained it a bit more thoroughly.

Even though this was a 3.5 hour movie.
But doesn't the lack of "Hulk" feel...sad...to you? He was a character in the series separate from Banner and, arguably, was even more important than Banner himself. I just feel like we basically saw Hulk die offscreen to be replaced by Banner taking his powers, and that's a huge bummer.

To put it another way, it seems like "Hulk SMASH" isn't a thing anymore, and that sucks.
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It was good, but IMO Infinity War was a much better movie.
I agree -- Infinity War had the cleaner narrative.

But I don't think I've ever seen a movie have bigger balls than this one.

The shit they tried in this movie is just unthinkable. What an explosion of creativity, and a very good way to end Phase 3.
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But doesn't the lack of "Hulk" feel...sad...to you? He was a character in the series separate from Banner and, arguably, was even more important than Banner himself. I just feel like we basically saw Hulk die offscreen to be replaced by Banner taking his powers, and that's a huge bummer.
Exactly the way it felt to me.
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But doesn't the lack of "Hulk" feel...sad...to you? He was a character in the series separate from Banner and, arguably, was even more important than Banner himself. I just feel like we basically saw Hulk die offscreen to be replaced by Banner taking his powers, and that's a huge bummer.
I'd feel pretty lousy if they couldn't fill the void. I don't need the same characters to inspire me over and over again. I think they filled the Hulk void and then some in Endgame.

In particular, having Ruffalo just hang out in Hulk's physique was played with in so many comical ways. And we did get a cameo from the real Hulk as he bitched about going down the stairs. lmao

I do agree with you that Hulk's true character was unceremoniously dumped in this film as Banner seemingly assimilates him, and was done so without explanation. But you have to make narrative sacrifices in a film this big, don't you?
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To put it another way, it seems like "Hulk SMASH" isn't a thing anymore, and that sucks.
True. We did get a little Ant Man and Captain Marvel smash, though, which was surprisingly entertaining.

They don't quite have the id-satisfying recklessness of Hulk, though. Totally agree.
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This movie made me go back and watch THOR the Dark World again. Thats how good it was.

Too bad they never brought back Darcy again....
The biggest sin of the MCU was never doing more with Kat Dennings.

C'mon now, Marvel. I wouldn't even care if they gave us Dennings as Squirrel Girl. I can live with that continuity issue.
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But doesn't the lack of "Hulk" feel...sad...to you? He was a character in the series separate from Banner and, arguably, was even more important than Banner himself. I just feel like we basically saw Hulk die offscreen to be replaced by Banner taking his powers, and that's a huge bummer.

To put it another way, it seems like "Hulk SMASH" isn't a thing anymore, and that sucks.

Yes, and I HATED it, but I think his character arc isn't done. It's clear that as of Endgame, Hulk CAN'T FIGHT. I mean, he goes to New York and is like, pushing a car around, and trying to figure out how to do the HULK SMASH thing, but Banner isn't about that. He's too cool-headed, rational, logical, etc. to be an effective fighter, despite the muscles.

I can't imagine that that lasts. He needs to find a happy medium. Let the 4 year old temper tantrum guy have his "hand on the wheel" at least a little bit when the time is right (to borrow his own description from Ragnarok).

Because this isn't Hulk, it's "Banner with big muscles who sucks in a fight". Can't imagine his story is complete with that as the end point.
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I actually don't mind it, as I think it's a sensible conclusion to the Ruffalo arc, but they didn't really transition it very well from Infinity Wars.

It went straight from "two consciousnesses sharing the same body" to "Banner now just runs Hulk's body" with not a ton of explanation.

I like the development, personally, but I'm a Marvel homer. I just wish they had explained it a bit more thoroughly.

Even though this was a 3.5 hour movie.
No need to explain it, just don't have Professor Hulk be a nerdier/dorkier/narcissist version of Banner.
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Yes, and I HATED it, but I think his character arc isn't done. It's clear that as of Endgame, Hulk CAN'T FIGHT. I mean, he goes to New York and is like, pushing a car around, and trying to figure out how to do the HULK SMASH thing, but Banner isn't about that. He's too cool-headed, rational, logical, etc. to be an effective fighter, despite the muscles.

I can't imagine that that lasts. He needs to find a happy medium. Let the 4 year old temper tantrum guy have his "hand on the wheel" at least a little bit when the time is right (to borrow his own description from Ragnarok).

Because this isn't Hulk, it's "Banner with big muscles who sucks in a fight". Can't imagine his story is complete with that as the end point.
I also don't remember Professor Hulk being useless in a fight from the Comics. Another aspect that I didn't care for.
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I agree -- Infinity War had the cleaner narrative.

But I don't think I've ever seen a movie have bigger balls than this one.

The shit they tried in this movie is just unthinkable. What an explosion of creativity, and a very good way to end Phase 3.
I don’t really agree. They did time travel, which has been done by so many other movies.

Before Infinity War I didn’t think it would be possible to have that many characters together in 1 movie and have it written that well with a good flow.

I think Infinity War was the best combination of funniest, most entertaining and best written movie in the MCU.
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