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Deberg_1990 · 11-21-2017, 04:16 PM

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Yet, here we are looking at the same Kansas City Chiefs offense we've seen year after year.

The Chiefs have made three playoff appearances since Reid took over as head coach in 2013, losing once in the wild-card game (2013) and twice in the divisional round (2015, 2016). I'm a fan of Reid and quarterback Alex Smith, but with the way things are right now, they'll be sitting at home while Pittsburgh and New England duke it out on Championship Sunday.

I was Smith's teammate in San Francisco for one year (2010) and I got to know him well. When the weather starts playing a bigger factor in games late in the season, he's not a guy who can make tough throws in tough conditions. He's particular and wants the football a certain way. The colder the weather the firmer the ball and other conditions make the ball slippery. It's really hard to play in inclement weather as a quarterback, yet there are some guys -- like Brett Favre -- who could grab a ball out of a bucket of water or pile of mud and hurl it downfield. But everybody's not like that, including Smith. The conditions have to be right and the running game has to be there. As we've witnessed throughout his career, Smith isn't often going to transcend an offense and win a game on huge throws -- a frequent critique. He's just not that type of quarterback.

Early in the season, we saw Smith make those big plays and the Chiefs were rolling. We've seen downfield shots slowly digress as the season's gone on, a trend that goes back to at least the past two seasons. Since 2015, Smith has been far more effective throwing the ball down field (20-pus air yards) through the Chiefs' first eight games than he has in their final eight, completing more passes (42.1 percent vs. 36.7 percent) with a better TD-to-INT ratio (8:0 vs. 2:4) and a significantly higher passer rating (124.3 vs. 63.1).

Furthermore, since Smith's first year with the Chiefs in 2013, his passer rating on pass attempts of more than 20 yards has fallen off in the second half of the season.

September: 92.0
October: 111.1
November: 63.5
Dec.-Jan.: 68.8

The Chiefs' high-flying offense started to stall after the Steelers exposed a weakness in Week 6. Pittsburgh played more zone coverage and allowed them to throw the ball underneath by respecting the ability of Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce to make things happen downfield. In addition, the run game hasn't been as effective the last five games (the Chiefs are 1-4 in that stretch), averaging 81 rush yards per game. That's 70 yards per game fewer than Kansas City put up in its first five games (all wins). In my opinion, Smith needs the run game to improve or we'll likely see him continue to struggle throwing the ball downfield as this season progresses.

I know this sounds crazy, but there's a case for Patrick Mahomes, who played well in the preseason, to start in place of Smith as the playoffs near. The Chiefs gave up a third-rounder and next year's first to draft Mahomes, viewing him as their franchise quarterback of the future. He's a gunslinger who adds another dimension in the pass game when a) the weather worsens, and b) they're trying to go head to head with the AFC's best offenses.

It's definitely possible the Chiefs could find themselves in a Nathan Peterman situation, especially if they don't handle the timing of the switch well. We don't know. What I do know, though, is we can expect the same ending to the Chiefs' story if they don't change up their cast of characters.

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milkman · 11-23-2017, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandy Vagina

So would you classify Andy Reid a good coach for..

- forgetting his RB frequently?
- having an elite FB on the bench, but refusing to play him more than a few snaps per game?
- refusing to use more play-action?

or how bout simply

- sticking stubbornly with "a poor QB despite having a star on the bench"?

Seems every game, the fans in GDT bitch, moan, and berate Andy for his in-game playcalls.. and in-game lack of adjustments.

Yet, when it comes to hating a player more... that's when Andy becomes a GOD.

Again, I am disappointed in Alex Smith.. for not having played better the last two games... and also the PIT game. He needed to play better.. and he is capable of doing so.

This should not excuse the rest of the team for having a lot of boring playcalls.. then the cute shit that ****s us.. the terrible run blocking OL... penalties.. drops.. and moments of pure fail from the pass pro at critical times.

This QB is just yet another piece of the failing puzzle. I agree that it's a damn shame he can't lift everyone up more. Maybe Pat can, who knows. Fans expecting a QB to regularly carry their team weaknesses? It's just not realistic.

Andy pisses me/us off because he isn't always a good game day coach, but he is a guy that usually finds ways to get his team ready to play.

And some of his playcalling is dictated by the limitations of his mediocre QB.

**Rausch** · 11-23-2017, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by bigjosh

Every team has injuries. Some QBs just overcome them. Tom Brady has never had a completely healthy roster in super bowl seasons. Hell Gronkowski spends half of his seasons on the sideline

And when Brady's WR's drop passes, his offensive line plays like shit, and his defense plays like shit he gets blown out at home.

Yes, even Tom Brady.

I'm sure you remember...

PAChiefsGuy · 11-23-2017, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sandy Vagina

So would you classify Andy Reid a good coach for..

- forgetting his RB frequently?
- having an elite FB on the bench, but refusing to play him more than a few snaps per game?
- refusing to use more play-action?

or how bout simply

- sticking stubbornly with "a poor QB despite having a star on the bench"?

Seems every game, the fans in GDT bitch, moan, and berate Andy for his in-game playcalls.. and in-game lack of adjustments.

Yet, when it comes to hating a player more... that's when Andy becomes a GOD.

Again, I am disappointed in Alex Smith.. for not having played better the last two games... and also the PIT game. He needed to play better.. and he is capable of doing so.

This should not excuse the rest of the team for having a lot of boring playcalls.. then the cute shit that ****s us.. the terrible run blocking OL... penalties.. drops.. and moments of pure fail from the pass pro at critical times.

This QB is just yet another piece of the failing puzzle. I agree that it's a damn shame he can't lift everyone up more. Maybe Pat can, who knows. Fans expecting a QB to regularly carry their team weaknesses? It's just not realistic.

And don't forget how pretty much everyone here wanted to fire Sutton. A couple games later now Smitty is the main problem with the team..

Flip-flop CP posters....

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-23-2017, 09:51 AM

What you Smitty nut-huggers don't see is that yes, it is a team game... but as I've said 100 times, QBs are erasers. Their job is to cover up for deficiencies elsewhere on the team. The better the QB, the more he can make up for.

Aaron Rodgers takes a bottom 10 roster to the playoffs every year. Tom Brady has had below average to average offensive supporting casts for most of his career. Russell Wilson is literally carrying the Seahawks these days despite the worst OL in football. Matt Stafford makes the Lions watchable and competitive with a below average roster. I could go on and on.

What happens when things aren't perfect around Alex? Can he overcome key injuries? Can he put the team on his back when it's needed in the playoffs?

We all know the answer.

**Rausch** · 11-23-2017, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

What happened when things aren't perfect around Alex? Can he overcome key injuries? Can he put the team on his back when it's needed in the playoffs?

We all know the answer.

Yes we do.

What's your point?

milkman · 11-23-2017, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

And don't forget how pretty much everyone here wanted to fire Sutton. A couple games later now Smitty is the main problem with the team..

Flip-flop CP posters....

Bob Sutton still needs to be fired.

But that has nothing to do with the fact that your boo sucks ass.

It's a team game, and to improve this team both Smith and Sutton need to get the **** out.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 11-23-2017, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Yes we do.

What's your point?

My point is that Alex is most certainly a game manager who can't take us deep in the playoffs because he can't cover up for roster deficiencies that are going to show by January, whether it be due to skill or injury at other positions.

**Rausch** · 11-23-2017, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

My point is that Alex is most certainly a game manager who can't take us deep in the playoffs because he can't cover up for roster deficiencies that are going to show by January, whether due to skill or injury.

No, he can't.

He's a guy you can win with - not a guy you win because of.

We all knew this the second he was traded here.

Instead of complaining about it we should be ecstatic about finally drafting a guy who can be a legit QBOTF and be glad Andy wants to groom this guy the right way.

bigjosh · 11-23-2017, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

And when Brady's WR's drop passes, his offensive line plays like shit, and his defense plays like shit he gets blown out at home.

Yes, even Tom Brady.

I'm sure you remember...

I am willing to bet my entire bank account that a Tom Brady led patriots team has NEVER lost 4 out of 5 games, nor have they ever been "blown out at home" in the playoffs.

PAChiefsGuy · 11-23-2017, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

What you Smitty nut-huggers don't see is that yes, it is a team game... but as I've said 100 times, QBs are erasers. Their job is to cover up for deficiencies elsewhere on the team. The better the QB, the more he can make up for.

Aaron Rodgers takes a bottom 10 roster to the playoffs every year. Tom Brady has had below average to average offensive supporting casts for most of his career. Russell Wilson is literally carrying the Seahawks these days despite the worst OL in football. Matt Stafford makes the Lions watchable and competitive with a below average roster. I could go on and on.

What happens when things aren't perfect around Alex? Can he overcome key injuries? Can he put the team on his back when it's needed in the playoffs?

We all know the answer.

The Chiefs were 2-14 the year before Smitty got here. He came here and they make the playoffs. Gee, what a coincidence.

Yes Reid's impact was huge as well but he isn't out there playing. Smitty turned this franchise around. Bunch of ingrates on this board.

ILChief · 11-23-2017, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

And when Brady's WR's drop passes, his offensive line plays like shit, and his defense plays like shit he gets blown out at home.

Yes, even Tom Brady.

I'm sure you remember...

They may have an occasional stinker during the season, but playoff time they'll win

bigjosh · 11-23-2017, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by milkman

Bob Sutton still needs to be fired.

But that has nothing to do with the fact that your boo sucks ass.

It's a team game, and to improve this team both Smith and Sutton need to get the **** out.

OKchiefs · 11-23-2017, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

So tell me guys, since you know, Chiefs are so good without Alex 'All I do is win in the regular season' Smith. When is the last time Chiefs, before Alex Smith was here, won a SB and when is the last time Chiefs won a playoff game? Not including the one with Alex.

Cause you know, if Chiefs are such a great organization and Alex is the one holding this organization back I'd think the answers to these questions would fairly straight forward.

They're a shit organization because they've always relied on horrible quarterbacks like Smith, Huard, Cassel, Bono, Grbac, and other castoffs. Mahomes is a sign that we are hopefully going away from that bullshit. Even if Mahomes is a bust, this team must know by now that the answer is to go back to the draft, not another veteran castoff like Smith.

ILChief · 11-23-2017, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

The Chiefs were 2-14 the year before Smitty got here. He came here and they make the playoffs. Gee, what a coincidence.

Yes Reid's impact was huge as well but he isn't out there playing. Smitty turned this franchise around. Bunch of ingrates on this board.

If making the playoffs is your goal, he's a fine QB. I'd like to win the whole thing

**Rausch** · 11-23-2017, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by ILChief

They may have an occasional stinker during the season, but playoff time they'll win

Not if come playoff time they drop passes, the D plays like shit, and their line stinks it up.

Much like the Den/NE champ game a few years back when Den made the SB...

11-21-2017, 04:16 PM
Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Deberg_1990's Avatar Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx.	David Carr " Chiefs have higher upside with Mahomes" The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Yet, here we are looking at the same Kansas City Chiefs offense we've seen year after year. The Chiefs have made three playoff appearances since Reid took over as head coach in 2013, losing once in the wild-card game (2013) and twice in the divisional round (2015, 2016). I'm a fan of Reid and quarterback Alex Smith, but with the way things are right now, they'll be sitting at home while Pittsburgh and New England duke it out on Championship Sunday. I was Smith's teammate in San Francisco for one year (2010) and I got to know him well. When the weather starts playing a bigger factor in games late in the season, he's not a guy who can make tough throws in tough conditions. He's particular and wants the football a certain way. The colder the weather the firmer the ball and other conditions make the ball slippery. It's really hard to play in inclement weather as a quarterback, yet there are some guys -- like Brett Favre -- who could grab a ball out of a bucket of water or pile of mud and hurl it downfield. But everybody's not like that, including Smith. The conditions have to be right and the running game has to be there. As we've witnessed throughout his career, Smith isn't often going to transcend an offense and win a game on huge throws -- a frequent critique. He's just not that type of quarterback. Early in the season, we saw Smith make those big plays and the Chiefs were rolling. We've seen downfield shots slowly digress as the season's gone on, a trend that goes back to at least the past two seasons. Since 2015, Smith has been far more effective throwing the ball down field (20-pus air yards) through the Chiefs' first eight games than he has in their final eight, completing more passes (42.1 percent vs. 36.7 percent) with a better TD-to-INT ratio (8:0 vs. 2:4) and a significantly higher passer rating (124.3 vs. 63.1). Furthermore, since Smith's first year with the Chiefs in 2013, his passer rating on pass attempts of more than 20 yards has fallen off in the second half of the season. September: 92.0 October: 111.1 November: 63.5 Dec.-Jan.: 68.8 The Chiefs' high-flying offense started to stall after the Steelers exposed a weakness in Week 6. Pittsburgh played more zone coverage and allowed them to throw the ball underneath by respecting the ability of Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelce to make things happen downfield. In addition, the run game hasn't been as effective the last five games (the Chiefs are 1-4 in that stretch), averaging 81 rush yards per game. That's 70 yards per game fewer than Kansas City put up in its first five games (all wins). In my opinion, Smith needs the run game to improve or we'll likely see him continue to struggle throwing the ball downfield as this season progresses. I know this sounds crazy, but there's a case for Patrick Mahomes, who played well in the preseason, to start in place of Smith as the playoffs near. The Chiefs gave up a third-rounder and next year's first to draft Mahomes, viewing him as their franchise quarterback of the future. He's a gunslinger who adds another dimension in the pass game when a) the weather worsens, and b) they're trying to go head to head with the AFC's best offenses. It's definitely possible the Chiefs could find themselves in a Nathan Peterman situation, especially if they don't handle the timing of the switch well. We don't know. What I do know, though, is we can expect the same ending to the Chiefs' story if they don't change up their cast of characters. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...-limits-chiefs
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pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS pugsnotdrugs19's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2013	What you Smitty nut-huggers don't see is that yes, it is a team game... but as I've said 100 times, QBs are erasers. Their job is to cover up for deficiencies elsewhere on the team. The better the QB, the more he can make up for. Aaron Rodgers takes a bottom 10 roster to the playoffs every year. Tom Brady has had below average to average offensive supporting casts for most of his career. Russell Wilson is literally carrying the Seahawks these days despite the worst OL in football. Matt Stafford makes the Lions watchable and competitive with a below average roster. I could go on and on. What happens when things aren't perfect around Alex? Can he overcome key injuries? Can he put the team on his back when it's needed in the playoffs? We all know the answer.
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