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Mile High Mania · 11-21-2018, 08:27 AM

So, I think the race comes down to these two guys and could honestly support either winning it all. Take away either player and that team is going to suck. One has vastly better stats, one has fewer losses on the season (team stat).

67.5% Completion / 117.9 QBR / 3,628 yards / 37 TD / 10 INT (186 rushing yards / 2 TDs)
76.9% Completion / 126.9 QBR / 2,964 yards / 25 TD / 1 INT (28 rushing yards / 3 TDs)

Both have their teams at the top of their conferences. One is at the end of the road, the other just getting started. Brees has never earned an MVP and is breaking career records left and right.

Are you fine either way... do you feel that Mahomes without question is the MVP over Brees? Maybe this is the ultimate test of "does the leauge really hate KC"?

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-23-2018, 12:49 AM

Yeah right. Let's see who wins this match up with no league agendas and honest ref work.

jaa1025 · 11-23-2018, 01:03 AM

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The 2 strip/sacks were both tip your cap to Donald, Mahomes had no chance. The last turnover was basically a hail mary with 15 secs left in the game from our own 25. The 2nd to last interception he got hit as he threw.

I don't blame him from the strip sacks. I think the no look, flat footed attempt was a bad and lazy play but thats not intercepted 99 times out of 100. Just a fluky play that the ball bounces like that. The INT that his arm hit was a bad playcall and Mahomes waited too long (possibly due to pressure). He should have thrown it away or ran it at that point. The hail marry attempt he didn't get set which is why it was underthrown. He probably felt pressure after escaping the initial pressure. If he gets set he probably throws that to the endzone.

Most of his INT's have been garbage INTs that had no impact on the game due to lead or throwing a hail marry type of pass. He's also faced some really bad luck. (Lineman into that bounced off the helmet of Swartz, hit arm, Hill stopping his route on a deep pass to end the half at cleveland, 2 meaningless INT's against the Jags (one was a phenomenal defensive play). Only the NE INTs bother me and 2 from the Rams.

PAChiefsGuy · 11-23-2018, 03:07 AM

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I don't blame him from the strip sacks. I think the no look, flat footed attempt was a bad and lazy play but thats not intercepted 99 times out of 100. Just a fluky play that the ball bounces like that. The INT that his arm hit was a bad playcall and Mahomes waited too long (possibly due to pressure). He should have thrown it away or ran it at that point. The hail marry attempt he didn't get set which is why it was underthrown. He probably felt pressure after escaping the initial pressure. If he gets set he probably throws that to the endzone.

Most of his INT's have been garbage INTs that had no impact on the game due to lead or throwing a hail marry type of pass. He's also faced some really bad luck. (Lineman into that bounced off the helmet of Swartz, hit arm, Hill stopping his route on a deep pass to end the half at cleveland, 2 meaningless INT's against the Jags (one was a phenomenal defensive play). Only the NE INTs bother me and 2 from the Rams.

I love Mahomes as much as anyone but he isn't above criticism. That INT on the screen was absolutely horrible. Doubt it happens again but that was really bad.

The strip sacks, overall not his fault but he could protect the ball a little better when scrambling.

What's good is he is young and he will learn and continue to get better which is scary for the rest of the NFL.

**Baby Lee** · 11-23-2018, 03:25 AM

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Did this ninja say Goff over Brees?

Homie must have used Everclear to baste his ****ing turkey.

Mods? Virulent racism?

jaa1025 · 11-23-2018, 06:06 AM

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I love Mahomes as much as anyone but he isn't above criticism. That INT on the screen was absolutely horrible. Doubt it happens again but that was really bad.

The strip sacks, overall not his fault but he could protect the ball a little better when scrambling.

What's good is he is young and he will learn and continue to get better which is scary for the rest of the NFL.

It wasn't a screen it was an RPO. Harris was open and in Mahomes words-he babied it instead of firing it in there like he had all game. The ball was batted, hung up and may have bounced a few times off of Swartz. I'm not excusing it at all but it's not an int 99 times out of a 100. It took some great bounces and a great individual play to intercept that ball.

He protected the ball fine. He had the ball up to begin his throwing motion and then pulled it back down...both happened in the pocket.

KChiefs1 · 11-23-2018, 11:57 AM

PFF on the MVP race.

https://youtu.be/KlZrOYRYosg

38yrsfan · 11-23-2018, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

So, I think the race comes down to these two guys and could honestly support either winning it all. Take away either player and that team is going to suck. One has vastly better stats, one has fewer losses on the season (team stat).

67.5% Completion / 117.9 QBR / 3,628 yards / 37 TD / 10 INT (186 rushing yards / 2 TDs)
76.9% Completion / 126.9 QBR / 2,964 yards / 25 TD / 1 INT (28 rushing yards / 3 TDs)

Both have their teams at the top of their conferences. One is at the end of the road, the other just getting started. Brees has never earned an MVP and is breaking career records left and right.

Are you fine either way... do you feel that Mahomes without question is the MVP over Brees? Maybe this is the ultimate test of "does the leauge really hate KC"?

Your issue is 'race' so be accurate - Mahomes is not 'black'. His mother was Caucasian (that means white to you Donk posters). Children of different racial parentage have a mixed racial genetic profile. It's not that complex at all.

ARROW2 · 11-23-2018, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 38yrsfan

Your issue is 'race' so be accurate - Mahomes is not 'black'. His mother was Caucasian (that means white to you Donk posters). Children of different racial parentage have a mixed racial genetic profile. It's not that complex at all.

So Obama wasn't black either, right?

. History will always call him the first black US President

ARROW2 · 11-23-2018, 05:16 PM

Despite his Caucasian mother.

ARROW2 · 11-23-2018, 05:17 PM

Tiger Woods tried to call himself a caublanasian. NOPE. didn't work....lol

ARROW2 · 11-23-2018, 05:18 PM

Did you consider rod Woodson to be white?

ARROW2 · 11-23-2018, 05:19 PM

My point is, there are "some" that won't give him his due because of being black. I don't care, just win the ****ing SB.

ARROW2 · 11-23-2018, 05:21 PM

There will be some blacks that will hate on him because he doesn't talk hood enough or had both parents or is fair skinned, etc. I just wanna win, IDGAF if it was a ****ing Martian throwing darts.

38yrsfan · 11-23-2018, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ARROW2

So Obama wasn't black either, right?

. History will always call him the first black US President

Revel in your media educational delinquincy all you want. You are wrong. Your deductions are still wrong and woeful stupid.

Rofls not needed to show your ignorance.

ARROW2 · 11-23-2018, 05:23 PM

Where am I wrong? Is he not called a "black" president?

11-21-2018, 08:27 AM
Mile High Mania #triggering Mile High Mania's Avatar Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas	NFL MVP... Brees or Mahomes So, I think the race comes down to these two guys and could honestly support either winning it all. Take away either player and that team is going to suck. One has vastly better stats, one has fewer losses on the season (team stat). 67.5% Completion / 117.9 QBR / 3,628 yards / 37 TD / 10 INT (186 rushing yards / 2 TDs) 76.9% Completion / 126.9 QBR / 2,964 yards / 25 TD / 1 INT (28 rushing yards / 3 TDs) Both have their teams at the top of their conferences. One is at the end of the road, the other just getting started. Brees has never earned an MVP and is breaking career records left and right. Are you fine either way... do you feel that Mahomes without question is the MVP over Brees? Maybe this is the ultimate test of "does the leauge really hate KC"?
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ARROW2 MVP ARROW2's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2002	There will be some blacks that will hate on him because he doesn't talk hood enough or had both parents or is fair skinned, etc. I just wanna win, IDGAF if it was a ****ing Martian throwing darts.
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ARROW2 MVP ARROW2's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2002	Where am I wrong? Is he not called a "black" president?
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