***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

DJLN is definitely a smug douche but at least he explains his stance. I never leave a thread wondering how he feels about something because he's already posted a ****ing dissertation.

Yeah...I try to apologize for that about once a year.

I'm ****ing wordy, man. I don't like it - it just happens.

(So here's my annual apology. Sorry 'bout the yappin')

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Y'all funny.

[BleedingRed]

How many new gun owners do you think there are?

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Yeah and you better have a plan for when you end this lock down. I shared my idea.

It seems we really had no plan initially when this all statted.

Sometimes you have to act based on the information you have, and wasting time waiting for more information will cost lives.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

this was a discussion about the 46 Americans that are asymptomatic that live in Florida. Both the cruise lines, the people and the govenor agree they show no symptoms. They are not sick.

You act like I was saying I personally had the military fly me out to the cruise ship. Checked them all out personally. Flew back in and gave my report to Chiefs planet?

Moot point, they are all getting off now.

I’ll not be responding to either one of your posts in the future. They seem to only have one negative purpose. There’s is enough negativity and bad shit happening all over the world. I’ll not participate in your posts that serve no purpose.

just because someone shows no symptoms doesnt mean they are not sick.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by O.city

You can only hold back for so long. At some point, you can't keep everything locked down. We're buying time. You can only buy so much.

The end game here is a percent of the population gets this and either survives to become immune or doesn't.

The end game is obviously a vaccine and therapeutics. Be in the interim once we flatten the curve and start going down we need to be TESTING, TRACING, and QUARANTINING.

[Donger]

God, people suck:

(CNN)Dr. Anthony Fauci, the country's top medical expert on the coronavirus pandemic and a member of President Donald Trump's coronavirus task force, is facing threats to his personal safety and now requires personal security from law enforcement at all times, including at his home, a source confirms to CNN.

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

The end game is obviously a vaccine and therapeutics. Be in the interim once we flatten the curve and start going down we need to be TESTING, TRACING, and QUARANTINING.

PPE and ventilators would be a great end-game too

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by SupDock

Sometimes you have to act based on the information you have, and wasting time waiting for more information will cost lives.

And sometimes swerving to avoid a stray cat sends you flipping down a highway.

An over-correction can be just as damaging as none at all. But whatever you do, you have to keep sawing that wheel to try to straighten out.

Nobody seems willing to try to saw the wheel right now.

If I got the impression from any leadership at any level that their approach right now is "look - the anchor brake has failed and we're just trying to stop this chain before it rips from the ship altogether. We'll worry about how to get it safely back on deck AFTER we keep it from ripping through the superstructure..." then I'd give them some latitude.

But who are we hearing that from? All we're hearing is "well we're just gonna need more and for longer and hey, you guys should probably just start planning for August at this point..."

It doesn't sound like any of them have a plan beyond the ends of their respective noses. They all to be operating from fear and political expedience. Which will invariably produce poor results.

[Donger]

Hoarded personal protective equipment seized by the FBI in a price-gouging investigation will be distributed to New York and New Jersey health care workers to help fight the coronavirus pandemic, the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) announced Thursday.

The equipment, including about 192,000 N95 respirator masks, was discovered on Monday as part of an investigation by the Department of Justice’s COVID-19 Hoarding and Price Gouging Task force.

HHS said it will pay the owner of the hoarded equipment the “fair market value” for the supplies, based on prices before the coronavirus was declared a pandemic. HHS said it used its authority under the Defense Production Act to order the supplies to be turned over to the government.

In addition to N95 masks, authorities seized 598,000 medical grade gloves, 130,000 surgical masks, as well as procedure masks, N100 masks, surgical gowns, disinfectant towels, particulate filters, bottles of hand sanitizer and bottles of spray disinfectant.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And sometimes swerving to avoid a stray cat sends you flipping down a highway.

An over-correction can be just as damaging as none at all. But whatever you do, you have to keep sawing that wheel to try to straighten out.

Nobody seems willing to try to saw the wheel right now.

If I got the impression from any leadership at any level that their approach right now is "look - the anchor brake has failed and we're just trying to stop this chain before it rips from the ship altogether. We'll worry about how to get it safely back on deck AFTER we keep it from ripping through the superstructure..." then I'd give them some latitude.

But who are we hearing that from? All we're hearing is "well we're just gonna need more and for longer and hey, you guys should probably just start planning for August at this point..."

It doesn't sound like any of them have a plan beyond the ends of their respective noses. They all to be operating from fear and political expedience. Which will invariably produce poor results.

maybe thats because none of them have any idea what this thing is going to do. i'm not sure anyone knows much of anything about combating this thing. thats what is so worrisome

[Sorce]

https://edition.cnn.com/style/articl...rnd/index.html

[SupDock]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And sometimes swerving to avoid a stray cat sends you flipping down a highway.

An over-correction can be just as damaging as none at all. But whatever you do, you have to keep sawing that wheel to try to straighten out.

Nobody seems willing to try to saw the wheel right now.

If I got the impression from any leadership at any level that their approach right now is "look - the anchor brake has failed and we're just trying to stop this chain before it rips from the ship altogether. We'll worry about how to get it safely back on deck AFTER we keep it from ripping through the superstructure..." then I'd give them some latitude.

But who are we hearing that from? All we're hearing is "well we're just gonna need more and for longer and hey, you guys should probably just start planning for August at this point..."

It doesn't sound like any of them have a plan beyond the ends of their respective noses. They all to be operating from fear and political expedience. Which will invariably produce poor results.

I imagine some people are analyzing what determines when we start reopening things, but if you notice, more things are being shut down, and to me, "not yet" is enough information for now.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by SupDock

PPE and ventilators would be a great end-game too

Should have been in hand at the beginning but yes I agree. We need enough masks for every American and was thinking about the possibility of the government sending care packs (masks, gloves etc) to each household.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Yeah and you better have a plan for when you end this lock down. I shared my idea.

It seems we really had no plan initially when this all statted.

Scott Gottlieb posted a plan for the way out and he's working with the admin. So hopefully that'll help.