***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by AustinChief

I never once mentioned hospitalization rates. Nice change of subject.

I did however claim that the fatality rate for under 50 has been reported to be equivalent to a bad flu season and that is in this thread if you care to look. Are you arguing the accuracy of said reports or claiming I lied about it?

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You don't seem to grasp that running out of hospital beds will lead to a substantial rise in mortality. That's why it's important.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yeah, because that's the 2017 flu season. Austin is berating people while getting the year and numbers wrong. It's not 0.16, and it's not 2018.

That's why we call it COVID-19 and not COVID-20.

Argh! So what flu season had a CFR of 0.1%? 2018-2019?

CDC estimates that influenza was associated with more than 35.5 million illnesses, more than 16.5 million medical visits, 490,600 hospitalizations, and 34,200 deaths during the 2018–2019 influenza season.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by Donger

9,800 new cases in NY already.

Largest single day increase in hospitalization and deaths

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Donger

Argh! So what flu season had a CFR of 0.1%? 2018-2019?

Yup.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Strongside

My wife and I are both convinced we had this in January. Never felt anything like it. Fever, chills, aches, and a literal BURNING sensation in our lungs. We tested negative for flu and were told it was a “seasonal virus” that was going around. He grandma and grandpa came down with it after being at our house a few days before we got sick. Her grandfather got double pneumonia and was hospitalized for a week with it...again, no flu.

I am almost certain that if we took the antibodies test, we have had this thing.

I think your story is far more common than people know. I was in a similar situation in February. Got the low fever, fatigue, dry cough, took over a month to really get right. Never did go in because it was really only 2-3 days of " I feel like total ass". Was the worst I felt in years but then the rest of the time was just the normal deal with it, work through it, etc.

My Son had pneumonia right after Christmas as well.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yup.

I added the numbers.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by SAUTO

Largest single day increase in hospitalization and deaths

No big deal. It's just the flu.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You don't seem to grasp that running out of hospital beds will lead to a substantial rise in mortality. That's why it's important.

NYC hospital admissions yesterday: 1,427

NYC Discharges: 1,452

Third straight day of discharges matching/surpassing admissions. In an environment that combines literally every possible negative factor for spread.

14,800 hospitalized vs. a projected 61,000 hospitalized according to the IHME model. 12,000 ICU beds projected vs. 3,731 actual.

Working from useful data is also important and thus far those 'public health officials' we're banking EVERYTHING on have provided us none of it.

[dlphg9]

Man this thread is getting heated

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

NYC hospital admissions yesterday: 1,427

NYC Discharges: 1,452
Third straight day of discharges matching/surpassing admissions. In an environment that combines literally every possible negative factor for spread.

14,800 hospitalized vs. a projected 61,000 hospitalized according to the IHME model. 12,000 ICU beds projected vs. 3,731 actual.

Working from useful data is also important and thus far those 'public health officials' we're banking EVERYTHING on have provided us none of it.

If that is true...that is good news.

[AustinChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Yeah, because that's the 2017 flu season. Austin is berating people while getting the year and numbers wrong. It's not 0.16, and it's not 2018.

That's why we call it COVID-19 and not COVID-20.

It's the 2017-2018 flu season. There is nothing "wrong" about what I posted. I berated you for being your normal prickish self after you mischaracterized what I posted.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

If that is true...that is good news.

From Cuomo's daily briefing this morning.

And from everything we've seen from Cuomo to this point, he'd be more likely to paint a worse picture if it were available to him.

[SAUTO]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

From Cuomo's daily briefing this morning.

And from everything we've seen from Cuomo to this point, he'd be more likely to paint a worse picture if it were available to him.

But are those people that were using the vents?

That’s where the shortage is going to come in. It’s not all about beds.


And I quoted the wrong post. Sorry lol

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Strongside

My wife and I are both convinced we had this in January. Never felt anything like it. Fever, chills, aches, and a literal BURNING sensation in our lungs. We tested negative for flu and were told it was a “seasonal virus” that was going around. He grandma and grandpa came down with it after being at our house a few days before we got sick. Her grandfather got double pneumonia and was hospitalized for a week with it...again, no flu.

I am almost certain that if we took the antibodies test, we have had this thing.

I had a cold in February that just hung on forever, for about 3 days I coughed a shit ton it made my ribs hurt, had chills and then I'd get hot as **** just back and forth, made my muscles sore and shit..

Then the damn thing just hung on forever, I felt better but I had remnants of it for what felt like a month.

[petegz28]

Just turned on the tv only to hear the media tell me that we have "burst past the 1 million case count". Not passed 1 million but "burst past"