***Official 2024 STL Cardinals Thread ***

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Are we ready to have a dialogue about how Mozeliak’s moves to improve the Bo and rotation worked?

Or are we going to continue to roast him and DeWitt for this mediocracy.

Whaaaat?

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by Pasta Little Brioni

Whaaaat?

Mozeliak’s moves in acquiring Gray, Gibson, Lynn, and Kittredge have actually worked out so far.

Doesn’t excuse his other **** ups.

[Jewish Rabbi]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Mozeliak’s moves in acquiring Gray, Gibson, Lynn, and Kittredge have actually worked out so far.

Doesn’t excuse his other **** ups.

Except Gray has already been hurt, and now Matz is hurt with zero depth behind him. Maybe wait more than 4 weeks before you start singing the praises of the nursing home starting rotation.

[raybec 4]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

Mozeliak’s moves in acquiring Gray, Gibson, Lynn, and Kittredge have actually worked out so far.

Doesn’t excuse his other **** ups.

Through the 1st month the rotation looks better than last year. Unfortunately there was almost no way it could have looked worse. As Rabbi said though, these guys are all pretty seasoned and one or more of them will spend significant time on the DL (it will always be the DL to me)

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by Jewish Rabbi

Except Gray has already been hurt, and now Matz is hurt with zero depth behind him. Maybe wait more than 4 weeks before you start singing the praises of the nursing home starting rotation.

They signed 3 SP. I’m not sure how many more guys they could have gotten and I’d argue they should have gotten someone that’s better than Lynn.
Matz wasn’t signed this off-season.I still think they should have gotten someone who can play CFin the off-season.

Age is a huge concern with the rotation. Doesn’t mean that the moves haven’t worked out so far.

Originally Posted by raybec 4

Through the 1st month the rotation looks better than last year. Unfortunately there was almost no way it could have looked worse. As Rabbi said though, these guys are all pretty seasoned and one or more of them will spend significant time on the DL (it will always be the DL to me)

Yeah, I think the rotation couldn’t be worse than last year. I don’t think Lynn will continue to pitch as well as he ha. Gibson at least has a track record of being an average innings eater. Gray has been phenomenal, though.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

They signed 3 SP. I’m not sure how many more guys they could have gotten and I’d argue they should have gotten someone that’s better than Lynn.
Matz wasn’t signed this off-season.I still think they should have gotten someone who can play CFin the off-season.

Age is a huge concern with the rotation. Doesn’t mean that the moves haven’t worked out so far.

This was always the primary concern of this rotation. How can they possibly hold up for 162 games?

And if you can find anyone that had a bad word to say about the Gray signing, I'd be surprised. Gray was a great get. The issue was that I think that's a guy you want taking the ball on Game 2 after you've had a power pitcher at the top of your rotation speeding guys up.

I'm not sure what you can reasonably expect from Gray in September/October as power pitching starts to become more and more important.

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This was always the primary concern of this rotation. How can they possibly hold up for 162 games?

And if you can find anyone that had a bad word to say about the Gray signing, I'd be surprised. Gray was a great get. The issue was that I think that's a guy you want taking the ball on Game 2 after you've had a power pitcher at the top of your rotation speeding guys up.

I'm not sure what you can reasonably expect from Gray in September/October as power pitching starts to become more and more important.

The age concerns with the rotation have been something I've had for the past year or 2. Having a bunch of guys in their mid-to-late 30s being counted on for consistent innings isn't a smart plan. I didn't want to go after Scherzer and Verlander because of that.

I think spending on two higher end starters would have been ideal. Personally prefer Montgomery to Snell based on their BB/9 the past 2 seasons and would have signed Gray to pair with him. Doesn't give you a true ace, but gives you two guys who are solid #2s. Bring in Gibson and you've raised the floor of the rotation by a lot.

The BP structure is something I would've done, too. Have a bunch of inexpensive guys with no long-term commitment that didn't profile as starters in AAA (bunch of strikeouts but some endurance/walk issues). Maybe throw in a guy who is a stud and give some commitment, but aside from 1 contract, nothing else should be prohibitive for future seasons in terms of additions.