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Old 08-19-2018, 06:11 AM  
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Chiefs are signing Orlando Scandrick (1-year, $1.5 million)



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Old 09-20-2018, 12:46 AM   #301
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Dee Ford is 47th among edge rushers on pass rush productivity (the % of rushes resulting in pressure), per PFF.
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Old 09-20-2018, 05:20 AM   #302
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Dee Ford is 47th among edge rushers on pass rush productivity (the % of rushes resulting in pressure), per PFF.
He’s just simply not that good. They need to draft some passrushers in the off-season to hopefully replace either him or Houston. Both have been disappointing.
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Old 09-20-2018, 06:30 AM   #303
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Maybe not but it seems like Ford is the only guy getting into the backfield much at all. He never seems to finish but he gets back there.
Maybe if he practices and learns to YELL real loud, since hes back there so quick, he can scare the QB into thinking he may get sacked!
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Old 09-20-2018, 07:12 AM   #304
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Ragland should never ever play in any type of passing down so he really should have sat that whole game and Murray is just a bum.

O'Daniel not playing when a team throws 60 times is either A he isn't progressing or B the coaches refuse to play a rookie early.

At this point I don't think Armani Watts could be any worse than Murray he is just always out of position, always late.
Murray is not usually out of position. It's just that he's always a step behind his man. I wonder if he just doesn't have the athletic ability to keep up or if his mind is not quick enough to read the route. Yeah, I like the idea of putting Watts in there instead of Murray. Hopefully, the Chiefs coaching staff soon realizes that may be a better solution.
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Old 09-20-2018, 07:15 AM   #305
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What the **** was this draft even? I thought atleast Nnamdi would be good but he hadn't done much. Veach is going to be Ryan Grigson.
Oh for God's sake, give it a little time. Most rookies are not ready to come in and start right away. I would bet that we will start seeing them play more as the season progresses.
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Old 09-20-2018, 08:33 AM   #306
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Oh for God's sake, give it a little time. Most rookies are not ready to come in and start right away. I would bet that we will start seeing them play more as the season progresses.
That's understandable, but I'd argue the ceiling of this draft was always going to be low. Part of that is because they didn't have a 1st round pick, but there are numerous players taken in the 2nd and 3rd round who are already showing flashes on other teams. I hope this is just a one year anomaly, because we're in trouble if every draft turns out to be a bunch of role players without any playmakers in the bunch.
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Old 09-20-2018, 09:48 AM   #307
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well, again, they're dropping him in coverage all too often.
He's getting stood straight up by backup RTs (or was it the LT). You can single him up and stop him.

He's getting dropped into coverage because we aren't going to routinely send 5, he's better in space than Ford and Ford is probably better at getting after the passer than he is.

The 'stop dropping Houston into coverage' thing has run its course. I think the staff knows that he's simply not the difference maker off the edge he used to be. So on plays where they send 5 - sure, send 'em both. But if you're just using 4 to try to generate pressure, the smart play is putting Houston in coverage and sending Ford.
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Old 09-20-2018, 09:55 AM   #308
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He's getting stood straight up by backup RTs (or was it the LT). You can single him up and stop him.

He's getting dropped into coverage because we aren't going to routinely send 5, he's better in space than Ford and Ford is probably better at getting after the passer than he is.

The 'stop dropping Houston into coverage' thing has run its course. I think the staff knows that he's simply not the difference maker off the edge he used to be. So on plays where they send 5 - sure, send 'em both. But if you're just using 4 to try to generate pressure, the smart play is putting Houston in coverage and sending Ford.
If that's the case then Houston absolutely has to be cut after this season, or at least have his contract renegotiated. You can't pay $20 million for a linebacker who doesn't rush the passer.
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Old 09-20-2018, 10:01 AM   #309
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If that's the case then Houston absolutely has to be cut after this season, or at least have his contract renegotiated. You can't pay $20 million for a linebacker who doesn't rush the passer.
I don't think that's even a question. Of course he needs to be released or take a significant paycut.

The guy may find a second wind and make me look like an asshole, but the dude I saw last year and for the first 2 games of this season is probably more efficiently used in space.

If you look at Houston as the traditional "SAM" linebacker, you're probably about right. I have always felt that the SAM's responsibilities center on effectively setting the edge and being capable in coverage. The WILL, OTOH, has a little more freedom to operate being on the weak side; can freelance a bit more and make plays so you look for a guy with more pass-rush ability there because the secondary weaknesses are as easily exploited.

Sutton treats Houston like a traditional SAM and Ford like a traditional WILL. Given their respective strength's and weaknesses, that's probably the way to go.
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Old 09-20-2018, 10:39 AM   #310
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Murray is not usually out of position. It's just that he's always a step behind his man. I wonder if he just doesn't have the athletic ability to keep up or if his mind is not quick enough to read the route. Yeah, I like the idea of putting Watts in there instead of Murray. Hopefully, the Chiefs coaching staff soon realizes that may be a better solution.
Murray actually is out of position, a lot. He's just not a good football player, at all. Very very low football IQ.
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Old 09-20-2018, 10:41 AM   #311
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left nut basically already said everything I wanted to say.
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Old 09-20-2018, 10:48 AM   #312
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He's getting stood straight up by backup RTs (or was it the LT). You can single him up and stop him.

He's getting dropped into coverage because we aren't going to routinely send 5, he's better in space than Ford and Ford is probably better at getting after the passer than he is.

The 'stop dropping Houston into coverage' thing has run its course. I think the staff knows that he's simply not the difference maker off the edge he used to be. So on plays where they send 5 - sure, send 'em both. But if you're just using 4 to try to generate pressure, the smart play is putting Houston in coverage and sending Ford.
I dunno. He's still looked good this season to me. Maybe I'm seeing what I wanna see. He bench pressed the RT into Ben for a sack strip on the penalty.
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Old 09-20-2018, 10:51 AM   #313
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I dunno. He's still looked good this season to me. Maybe I'm seeing what I wanna see. He bench pressed the RT into Ben for a sack strip on the penalty.
He wasn't the only one that got there on that play.
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Old 09-20-2018, 10:59 AM   #314
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He wasn't the only one that got there on that play.
ok?
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Old 09-20-2018, 11:04 AM   #315
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ok?
The only time he's really applied pressure, it was because of a bigger breakdown on the o-line. He's not beating his man straight up much at all.
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