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**petegz28** · 10-17-2021, 12:36 PM

Since the Super Bowl the dude has not looked right. Now he is just flat playing with his head in his ass.

I think he needs to get over himself a bit. He has 2 critical INT's this season that are 100% his fault that he had 0% reason to every try and it cost us points, 1 game and maybe 2.

ModSocks · 11-08-2021, 12:42 PM

JakeF and anyone who's buying JakeF's shit, go back and re-watch Mahomes.

Seriously. **** your memory. Go back and actually watch him. Pull up all-time greatest throws highlight videos.

Go ahead. Do it. And then you'll see that most of his best throws came from within the pocket.

ModSocks · 11-08-2021, 12:43 PM

Here's one. Go ahead. Count 'em. I haven't even watched this video but im willing to bet most of the throws are from the pocket.

JakeF · 11-08-2021, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

JakeF and anyone who's buying JakeF's shit, go back and re-watch Mahomes.

Seriously. **** your memory. Go back and actually watch him. Pull up all-time greatest throws highlight videos.

Go ahead. Do it. And then you'll see that most of his best throws came from within the pocket.

Calm down. JFC

Can't you just talk without freaking out?

Just forget it, there's no point.

ModSocks · 11-08-2021, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

Calm down. JFC

Can't you just talk without freaking out?

Just forget it, there's no point.

What? Who's freaking out? WTH? You calm down, lol.

Anyway, i gave you a homework assignment. Watch the video i posted. Hell, go find your own video if you want.

Scribble down how many big plays he made rolling out and then scribble down how many he made from the pocket.

Your own eyes will debunk your theory.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 11-08-2021, 12:46 PM

.@Realrclark25 sounds off on Patrick Mahomes this season ��

“Patrick Mahomes is broken! … He’s the same as he’s always been, but that’s no longer good enough.” pic.twitter.com/z22VBInfEF
— Get Up (@GetUpESPN) November 8, 2021

He’s not wrong

**dirk digler** · 11-08-2021, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing

JakeF and anyone who's buying JakeF's shit, go back and re-watch Mahomes.

Seriously. **** your memory. Go back and actually watch him. Pull up all-time greatest throws highlight videos.

Go ahead. Do it. And then you'll see that most of his best throws came from within the pocket.

Actually I went and watched all of his TD throws from last year. There were more out of the pocket TD's than "pocket" TD's. And when we are talking about his "pocket" it is not a traditional pocket, it is 10 + yds behind the LOS.

Also pay attention in the red zone alot of our TD passes were designed rollouts.

IowaHawkeyeChief · 11-08-2021, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

I still think it's true.

Mahomes is only running for his life now, instead of running to influence the defense. He is purposely staying in the pocket to help our OT's.

I don't see how you can say this is wrong.

He needs to stay in the pocket because coordinators figured out not to blitz him and to rush their edges 10-12 yards upfield and contain Mahomes. He is getting better at not floating back, now he needs to go through his progressions and make them pay for playing 2 high safeties 15 -18 yards off the ball...

ModSocks · 11-08-2021, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Actually I went and watched all of his TD throws from last year. There were more out of the pocket TD's than "pocket" TD's. And when we are talking about his "pocket" it is not a traditional pocket, it is 10 + yds behind the LOS.

Also pay attention in the red zone alot of our TD passes were designed rollouts.

Did you log them. Because as i watch this video, there's a lot from within the pocket. And yes, i don't mean the traditional pocket as Mahomes drops deep, but it's not rolling out all the time.

A lot of his early stuff was, and some of most memorable plays where, but the bulk of his work is done w/o rolling around.

ModSocks · 11-08-2021, 12:53 PM

That dime to Sherman against the Chargers to start his career? Pocket.

The infamous WASP play in the SB.....pocket.

The game winner to Watkins in the AFCC? Pocket.

He's made amazing plays out of the pocket, obviously. But to say that that's WHAT he is, or that Schwartz and Fisher were these great tackles that "matched" Mahomes better or any shit like that just isn't accurate. At all. It's just your fond memories.

**dirk digler** · 11-08-2021, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Did you log them. Because as i watch this video, there's a lot from within the pocket. And yes, i don't mean the traditional pocket as Mahomes drops deep, but it's not rolling out all the time.

A lot of his early stuff was, and some of most memorable plays where, but the bulk of his work is done w/o rolling around.

I started to then got sidetracked but I can do it later on today. You can view it here if you want.

We ran lot of designed roll outs near the end zone. Yourself and IowaHawkeyeChief are right though teams are taking this away I believe.

ModSocks · 11-08-2021, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I started to then got sidetracked but I can do it later on today. You can view it here if you want.

We ran lot of designed roll outs near the end zone. Yourself and IowaHawkeyeChief are right though teams are taking this away I believe.

I just did the first 4 minutes of your video. Here's what i counted:

9 -passes from inside the tackle box. 11 passes if you count the shuffle passes.

3 - passes while rolling out.

And we're just talking red zone TD's in your video. Let alone his best throws.

Mahomes is a pocket passer. Always has been.

His most memorable plays may be from rolling out, but his production has all mostly come from planting and throwing behind his OL. Your video demonstrates that.

GT_34 · 11-08-2021, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Actually I went and watched all of his TD throws from last year. There were more out of the pocket TD's than "pocket" TD's. And when we are talking about his "pocket" it is not a traditional pocket, it is 10 + yds behind the LOS.

Yep.

Dropping back 15 yards behind the LOS isn't "in the pocket". It's more like behind the pocket.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing

I just did the first 4 minutes of your video. Here's what i counted:

9 -passes from inside the tackle box. 11 passes if you count the shuffle passes.

3 - passes while rolling out.

And we're just talking red zone TD's in your video. Let alone his best throws.

Mahomes is a pocket passer. Always has been.

His most memorable plays may be from rolling out, but his production has all mostly come from planting and throwing behind his OL. Your video demonstrates that.

I'm counting 10 passes from within the pocket and 15 passes from outside/behind the pocket.

**dirk digler** · 11-08-2021, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Detoxing

I just did the first 4 minutes of your video. Here's what i counted:

9 -passes from inside the tackle box. 11 passes if you count the shuffle passes.

3 - passes while rolling out.

And we're just talking red zone TD's in your video. Let alone his best throws.

Mahomes is a pocket passer. Always has been.

His most memorable plays may be from rolling out, but his production has all mostly come from planting and throwing behind his OL. Your video demonstrates that.

hmmm... I am through 3 minutes of the video at the end of the Pats game and I have:

Out of Pocket: 6
In Pocket: 7
Designed Roll outs\Runs: 5

ModSocks · 11-08-2021, 01:40 PM

Ok, so i finished the video. Here's what i counted:

TD passes inside the tackle box (traditional drop back pass): 23
Shuffle Passes that went for a TD: 5

TD passes while rolling out: 10

Interestingly, of those 10 roll out pass TD's, i believe all but 1 or 2 were within 15 yards of the end zone. That seemed to be more of a redzone scheme thing than Mahomes actually NEEDING to roll out.

Nearly every pass outside of the redzone came from a traditional drop back pass.

There, i did your homework for you, JakeF. It's your turn to show your work now.

ModSocks · 11-08-2021, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GT_34

Yep.

Dropping back 15 yards behind the LOS isn't "in the pocket". It's more like behind the pocket.

I'm counting 10 passes from within the pocket and 15 passes from outside/behind the pocket.

Quote:

Originally Posted by dirk digler

hmmm... I am through 3 minutes of the video at the end of the Pats game and I have:

Out of Pocket: 6
In Pocket: 7
Designed Roll outs\Runs: 5

We're defining the pocket very differently.

As far as Mahomes is concerned, drifting back is still in the pocket. He's not rolling out. He's looking downfield, sticking inside the tackle box, not rolling out and striking downfield.

JakeF is arguing that Mahomes has to roll out. He's not rolling out in your video here.

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11-08-2021, 12:42 PM	#601
ModSocks Needs more middle fingers ModSocks's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego	JakeF and anyone who's buying JakeF's shit, go back and re-watch Mahomes. Seriously. **** your memory. Go back and actually watch him. Pull up all-time greatest throws highlight videos. Go ahead. Do it. And then you'll see that most of his best throws came from within the pocket.
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11-08-2021, 12:43 PM	#602
ModSocks Needs more middle fingers ModSocks's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego	Here's one. Go ahead. Count 'em. I haven't even watched this video but im willing to bet most of the throws are from the pocket.
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ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs ShowtimeSBMVP's Avatar Join Date: Feb 2009	.@Realrclark25 sounds off on Patrick Mahomes this season �� “Patrick Mahomes is broken! … He’s the same as he’s always been, but that’s no longer good enough.” pic.twitter.com/z22VBInfEF — Get Up (@GetUpESPN) November 8, 2021 He’s not wrong
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11-08-2021, 12:53 PM	#609
ModSocks Needs more middle fingers ModSocks's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego	That dime to Sherman against the Chargers to start his career? Pocket. The infamous WASP play in the SB.....pocket. The game winner to Watkins in the AFCC? Pocket. He's made amazing plays out of the pocket, obviously. But to say that that's WHAT he is, or that Schwartz and Fisher were these great tackles that "matched" Mahomes better or any shit like that just isn't accurate. At all. It's just your fond memories.
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11-08-2021, 01:40 PM	#614
ModSocks Needs more middle fingers ModSocks's Avatar Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego	Ok, so i finished the video. Here's what i counted: TD passes inside the tackle box (traditional drop back pass): 23 Shuffle Passes that went for a TD: 5 TD passes while rolling out: 10 Interestingly, of those 10 roll out pass TD's, i believe all but 1 or 2 were within 15 yards of the end zone. That seemed to be more of a redzone scheme thing than Mahomes actually NEEDING to roll out. Nearly every pass outside of the redzone came from a traditional drop back pass. There, i did your homework for you, JakeF. It's your turn to show your work now.
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