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Old 11-21-2018, 08:27 AM  
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NFL MVP... Brees or Mahomes
So, I think the race comes down to these two guys and could honestly support either winning it all. Take away either player and that team is going to suck. One has vastly better stats, one has fewer losses on the season (team stat).

67.5% Completion / 117.9 QBR / 3,628 yards / 37 TD / 10 INT (186 rushing yards / 2 TDs)
76.9% Completion / 126.9 QBR / 2,964 yards / 25 TD / 1 INT (28 rushing yards / 3 TDs)

Both have their teams at the top of their conferences. One is at the end of the road, the other just getting started. Brees has never earned an MVP and is breaking career records left and right.

Are you fine either way... do you feel that Mahomes without question is the MVP over Brees? Maybe this is the ultimate test of "does the leauge really hate KC"?
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Old 11-22-2018, 09:42 PM   #166
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Old 11-22-2018, 09:45 PM   #167
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I'll give it to Brees unless Mahomes tears it out of his paws in a SB victory. Mahomes still deserves a nod at the award but Brees will be playing and winning a SB this year....Mahomes???

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Old 11-22-2018, 09:45 PM   #168
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Aaron Donald should be in the mix... I mean 14.5 sacks as a DT is unreal...
He won't. John Randle did what Donald is doing for a decade straight and he never got it.
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Old 11-22-2018, 09:48 PM   #169
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What I hate is that every talking head that supports Brees as MVP talks about how he has never won an MVP and they use that fact as one of the deciding factors in believing he should be the MVP.

It's not a damn lifetime achievement award, and a player missing out in past seasons should have absolutely zero impact on who wins it this year.

And this may sound controversial, and I don't mean it to be, but I personally feel like if one of the young white quarterbacks was having the same statistical season that Mahomes is having, people would not be advocating so much for Brees.

I know that other black QBs have won MVP, but if Mayfield or Wentz had Mahomes' stat line and their teams were 9-2, I think the narrative would change. Right now the narrative is that wow, Mahomes is having an amazing, record breaking season, but it's just too bad for him because Drew Brees is playing great again and he since he has never been named MVP in the past, he will finally get the MVP he has deserved for so long.

But if it was Mayfield or Wentz the narrative would be that wow, Brees is playing unbelievable football, it's just unfortunate that he would be having a career season at the same time that Mayfield (or Carson) is making a push to set the passing TD record in his first season as a starting QB.

This season I would take a Super Bowl win, or even just a Super Bowl appearance, over Mahomes being named MVP in a heartbeat. But I also hate the idea of the MVP award being decided based on what a player has done in prior seasons.

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Old 11-22-2018, 10:06 PM   #170
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What I hate is that every talking head that supports Brees as MVP talks about how he has never won an MVP and they use that fact as one of the deciding factors in believing he should be the MVP.

It's not a damn lifetime achievement award, and a player missing out in past seasons should have absolutely zero impact on who wins it this year.

And this may sound controversial, and I don't mean it to be, but I personally feel like if one of the young white quarterbacks was having the same statistical season that Mahomes is having, people would not be advocating so much for Brees.

I know that other black QBs have won MVP, but if Mayfield or Wentz had Mahomes' stat line and their teams were 9-2, I think the narrative would change. Right now the narrative is that wow, Mahomes is having an amazing, record breaking season, but it's just too bad for him because Drew Brees is playing great again and he since he has never been named MVP in the past, he will finally get the MVP he has deserved for so long.

But if it was Mayfield or Wentz the narrative would be that wow, Brees is playing unbelievable football, it's just unfortunate that he would be having a career season at the same time that Mayfield (or Carson) is making a push to set the passing TD record in his first season as a starting QB.

This season I would take a Super Bowl win, or even just a Super Bowl appearance, over Mahomes being named MVP in a heartbeat. But I also hate the idea of the MVP award being decided based on what a player has done in prior seasons.

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Meh. I know race plays a large role in the way people perceive things, but I'm not getting that kind of vibe with the Mahomes vs Brees debate.
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Old 11-22-2018, 10:11 PM   #171
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This is the fourth time the Saints have won a game this year with Brees throwing for less than 250 yards.

Must be nice to lean on that defense and running game when you have that "not-so-valuable" feeling.
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Old 11-22-2018, 10:13 PM   #172
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This is the fourth time the Saints have won a game this year with Brees throwing for less than 250 yards.

Must be nice to lean on that defense and running game when you have that "not-so-valuable" feeling.
What about all those 7-9 years he was overlooked as the MVP of the league tho?!?!?!

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamel...580/drew-brees

loved his game against the Giants 18-32 for 217 yards and zero td/int
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Old 11-22-2018, 10:14 PM   #173
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What about all those 7-9 years he was overlooked as the MVP of the league tho?!?!?!
Others were just more deserving.

Boo hoo.
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Old 11-22-2018, 10:21 PM   #174
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What about all those 7-9 years he was overlooked as the MVP of the league tho?!?!?!

http://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamel...580/drew-brees

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#1 criteria for winning MVP: Make the playoffs.

If you don’t qualify, you are no MVP
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Old 11-22-2018, 10:23 PM   #175
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#1 criteria for winning MVP: Make the playoffs.

If you don’t qualify, you are no MVP
7-9 4 out of the last 6 years is quite a feat though, comparable to whom throughout history?
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Old 11-22-2018, 10:26 PM   #176
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This is the fourth time the Saints have won a game this year with Brees throwing for less than 250 yards.

Must be nice to lean on that defense and running game when you have that "not-so-valuable" feeling.
Great QB's don't have to make the passing game the only game. Would you knock Mahomes for the same stats in a game,

Go squeeze your Ketchup bottle...
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Brees lit the Vikings up earlier this year 18-23 for 120 yards 1 td/1 int.
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Old 11-22-2018, 10:51 PM   #178
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Great QB's don't have to make the passing game the only game. Would you knock Mahomes for the same stats in a game,

Go squeeze your Ketchup bottle...
I’d love it if Mahomes could throw for 170 yards and the Chiefs could still win by 14.

But that’s not possible. Mahomes has to put up big numbers every game otherwise KC loses
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He won't. John Randle did what Donald is doing for a decade straight and he never got it.
Yep. Throw in Randy White as well.
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Old 11-22-2018, 11:07 PM   #180
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Skip Bayless is obsessed with Mahomes

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