Better Call Saul

[rico]

As I am sure many of y'all already know, a spinoff of "Breaking Bad" titled "Better Call Saul" will be airing in 2014. This is going to be a prequel to Breaking Bad and will be based on the character of Saul Goodman from "Breaking Bad."

I, for one, will be watching. I'm sure the majority of all of you other "Breaking Bad" fans will be as well. Might as well get the discussion going sooner rather than later.

So... what are your hopes, expectations and/or concerns with the show? Here are some of mine:

Hopes: I hope to see Saul do his thing in the courtroom. I hope to see strong, unique supporting characters. I hope to see Breaking Bad foreshadowing. I hope he has an intriguing paralegal and/or assistant. I hope to see Breaking Bad characters such as Fring, Mike, etc...whoever. I hope the show kicks ass.

Expectations: I don't expect it to be as good as "Breaking Bad" (because nothing else is, really), but I expect it to be good since Vince Gilligan is writing. I somewhat expect it to have an even balance of comedy and drama...since Saul undeniably provides a substantial amount of comedic relief in "Breaking Bad." I expect to see "courtroom Saul." I expect the "Breaking Bad" references and character cameos to be less than what I hope. If it isn't even a fraction as good as "Breaking Bad," I expect it to be better than 95% of everything else on TV, since there is some shitty shit on TV these days.

Concerns: I'd be a liar if I were to say that I didn't think this show has potential of flopping and certainly failing to meet the presumed high expectations of the audience. Don't get me wrong, I think it will be good... but I think it COULD suck if not executed properly. My main concern is Saul ultimately proving himself to be a "little dab will do ya" type of character, which would lead to a show centered around his character not working out. I am hoping that the character of Saul will not be so over-used and constantly over the top, that he becomes annoying to me, thus ruining his character for me altogether... Not saying I think this will be how it goes down...just saying I think there is a CHANCE of this being the case, which prompts me to believe that a strong supporting cast is VITAL in terms of the amount of success/quality this show will accumulate. All in all, I don't think VG will steer us in an unfortunate direction though...I think they'll pull it off.

Thoughts?

DISCUS!!!!

[kjwood75nro]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

Eh. They showed they weren’t when they tried to get him to leave. ****ed up. Not entirely soulless.

They cared nothing about Hamlin. They were more than happy to make him a paranoid, drug-using, prostitution-hiring, abusive, compromised lawyer that can't do his job.

He called them out on it, nailed it to a T, and they still denied it, implying that he was drunk.

Only when the consequences of their own actions arrived, did they decide to do the right thing and try to make him leave.

Soulless.

[notorious]

This reminded me of BB when I was somewhat accepting of our “protagonist” until the kid gets shot in the desert.

It was shocking, and you are hit with a sledgehammer reminding you that our main characters are not good people and there are major consequences for their actions they can’t control.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by kjwood75nro

They cared nothing about Hamlin. They were more than happy to make him a paranoid, drug-using, prostitution-hiring, abusive, compromised lawyer that can't do his job.

He called them out on it, nailed it to a T, and they still denied it, implying that he was drunk.

Only when the consequences of their own actions arrived, did they decide to do the right thing and try to make him leave.

Soulless.

This is nothing like killing a kid for inadvertently witnessing the wrong thing.

They attacked his reputation because his reputation was the obstacle between a good settlement for a case Jimmy found, and a potential but completely unrealized future resolution that Hamlin was marketing on the foundation of his reputation and the deep pockets/patience afforded by his firm who snaked the case from Jimmy.

We can quibble about how much of his reputation Hamlin 'deserved.' But they weren't ****ing the class, or the clients, or even the firm or the case, . . . they were ****ing the vision of how the case should proceed that Hamlin imposed with his reputational gravity by, albeit underhandedly, shifting the perspectives of key people to see the chessboard a little more like they did.

Cliff's input is critical here. . . It's entirely possible that Hamlin presented a sufficiently compelling explanation that Cliff had lingering tendency to believe that everything he was spinning was true, but he kept his eye on what was best for the clients. Jimmy had negotiated a fair settlement offer, and Hamlin had convinced the clients that, with lots of waiting and institutional pressure, he could bleed the company for more. . . That's a pissing contest between rival advocates. Whatever Jimmy and Kim's shenanigans, they had shifted the landscape for the suit, and it was prudent to accept the fair settlement Jimmy had gotten on the table.

[RunKC]

Kim reminds me so much of Walt. Both very upstanding and smart people in the beginning but slowly they both fall into this shit and their integrity snaps u til you don’t feel sorry for them anymore. I’m there with her.

It’s funny. Tonight’s parallel reminded me of Hank’s death. “You’re the smartest guy I’ve ever met” and tonight’s “And you. One of the smartest and most promising human beings I’ve ever known.”

[notorious]

A lot of amazing things had to fall in place just like in Breaking Bad, but it's not so bad it ruins the show.


Great entertainment.

[lcarus]

Kim will buy a vacuum or buy the farm. It'll be interesting to find out which.

[Zebedee DuBois]

Lalo is a heck of a detective...or hunter

[notorious]

Why would Lalo go to Saul?

I haven't rewatched the series, so I might be missing something obvious.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by notorious

Why would Lalo go to Saul?

I haven't rewatched the series, so I might be missing something obvious.

He was initially his lawyer.

I don’t know if he put together he’s with Fring or not yet.

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by notorious

Why would Lalo go to Saul?

I haven't rewatched the series, so I might be missing something obvious.

Lalo knows from the click a the wiretap on Hector's phone that Gus and Co are wary and wise, so he's calculating a frontal assault by surprise is long-odds. But Saul is a tangential connection to relevant players with access to attorney stomping grounds.

Likely formulating a new plan to extract what info and actions he can from/through Saul and Kim to figure out the chinks in Gus' armor.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Lalo knows from the click a the wiretap on Hector's phone that Gus and Co are wary and wise, so he's calculating a frontal assault by surprise is long-odds. But Saul is a tangential connection to relevant players with access to attorney stomping grounds.

Likely formulating a new plan to extract what info and actions he can from/through Saul and Kim to figure out the chinks in Gus' armor.

The only connection I can make is Lalo knows Mike is very loosely connected to Saul.

Or he knows Saul is a dirty bastard that knows how to get information.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

He was initially his lawyer.

I don’t know if he put together he’s with Fring or not yet.

Yeah, I remember that. Lalo should love Saul because he saved his ass.

[notorious]

I found it. This explains the connection:



Nacho hooked Lalo up with Saul. Nacho tried to have Lalo killed, so he's tracking things back.

[notorious]

If Lalo dies, Saul doesn't know. He's still scared shitless of him in Breaking Bad.

[Baby Lee]

Howard's brains on the painting that hid the Kim/Jimmy plan, . . which was taken later from Saul's mansion in the presumed government confiscation when Saul gets Gus-ed.