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Old 10-06-2013, 11:01 PM  
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Better Call Saul


As I am sure many of y'all already know, a spinoff of "Breaking Bad" titled "Better Call Saul" will be airing in 2014. This is going to be a prequel to Breaking Bad and will be based on the character of Saul Goodman from "Breaking Bad."

I, for one, will be watching. I'm sure the majority of all of you other "Breaking Bad" fans will be as well. Might as well get the discussion going sooner rather than later.

So... what are your hopes, expectations and/or concerns with the show? Here are some of mine:

Hopes: I hope to see Saul do his thing in the courtroom. I hope to see strong, unique supporting characters. I hope to see Breaking Bad foreshadowing. I hope he has an intriguing paralegal and/or assistant. I hope to see Breaking Bad characters such as Fring, Mike, etc...whoever. I hope the show kicks ass.

Expectations: I don't expect it to be as good as "Breaking Bad" (because nothing else is, really), but I expect it to be good since Vince Gilligan is writing. I somewhat expect it to have an even balance of comedy and drama...since Saul undeniably provides a substantial amount of comedic relief in "Breaking Bad." I expect to see "courtroom Saul." I expect the "Breaking Bad" references and character cameos to be less than what I hope. If it isn't even a fraction as good as "Breaking Bad," I expect it to be better than 95% of everything else on TV, since there is some shitty shit on TV these days.

Concerns: I'd be a liar if I were to say that I didn't think this show has potential of flopping and certainly failing to meet the presumed high expectations of the audience. Don't get me wrong, I think it will be good... but I think it COULD suck if not executed properly. My main concern is Saul ultimately proving himself to be a "little dab will do ya" type of character, which would lead to a show centered around his character not working out. I am hoping that the character of Saul will not be so over-used and constantly over the top, that he becomes annoying to me, thus ruining his character for me altogether... Not saying I think this will be how it goes down...just saying I think there is a CHANCE of this being the case, which prompts me to believe that a strong supporting cast is VITAL in terms of the amount of success/quality this show will accumulate. All in all, I don't think VG will steer us in an unfortunate direction though...I think they'll pull it off.

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Old 04-16-2020, 09:59 AM   #2071
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Gus tells Hector "the Salamanca name dies with you" after Hank killed the twins in the parking lot.
Saul is convinced Lalo is alive in S2 of Breaking Bad, though. Convinced enough that he thinks Lalo sent Walt and Jesse to ice him. Indicating if Lalo died, it happened without Jimmy knowing (or, alternatively, Lalo gets iced between S2 and S4 of the BB timeline). Lalo dying without Jimmy knowing would be the easiest for the writers to convincingly pull off I think.

BCS’ subreddit is full scale BB era conspiracy now. One is that Lalo someone survives both BCS and BB, but I don’t see how he’ll manage to escape Gus’ watchful eye. Gus isn’t one for oversights one that capacity.
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Old 04-16-2020, 10:44 AM   #2072
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When Walter and Jesse first meet Saul. He eventually pulls the "put a dollar in my pocket"
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Old 04-16-2020, 11:13 AM   #2073
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Saul is convinced Lalo is alive in S2 of Breaking Bad, though. Convinced enough that he thinks Lalo sent Walt and Jesse to ice him. Indicating if Lalo died, it happened without Jimmy knowing (or, alternatively, Lalo gets iced between S2 and S4 of the BB timeline). Lalo dying without Jimmy knowing would be the easiest for the writers to convincingly pull off I think.

BCS’ subreddit is full scale BB era conspiracy now. One is that Lalo someone survives both BCS and BB, but I don’t see how he’ll manage to escape Gus’ watchful eye. Gus isn’t one for oversights one that capacity.
Maybe.

He could also be speaking about an event in the past. Maybe he finds out the whole Hector/Ignacio thing and thinks they're coming for payback on the Hector pill swap.

Lalo dies. I don't think there's any question that Fring believes he's snuffed out the Salamancas altogether. But there's a fair amount of grey area where Saul could simply not have updated information and not realize it.
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Old 04-16-2020, 01:19 PM   #2074
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Maybe.

He could also be speaking about an event in the past. Maybe he finds out the whole Hector/Ignacio thing and thinks they're coming for payback on the Hector pill swap.

Lalo dies. I don't think there's any question that Fring believes he's snuffed out the Salamancas altogether. But there's a fair amount of grey area where Saul could simply not have updated information and not realize it.
I think Lalo dies too. But the way Saul asks "Did Lalo send you?" in the present tense BB makes me think Saul won't be present for Lalo's death (and that's what I was reminding myself in the final moments of the last episode). Part of why I think this is how much Vince Gilligan and Peter Gould are sticklers to their canon. Hell, they took two throwaway lines about two characters (Nacho and Lalo) from Saul when they thought Bob Odenkirk might be around for only 3 episodes (due to How I Met Your Mother of all shows) and turned them into two of the most compelling characters they've ever created. Damn, if only D&D adhered to their canon in the same way... but I digress.

I think the scenario you mentioned where Saul doesn't have updated info is absolutely the route they'll go. It's by far the easiest route (in BB it's clear Saul and Mike don't trust Saul with need to know info - so it makes sense they'd keep Lalo's death from Saul). It's possible we'll see Saul's timeline overlap with BB and could see Lalo's death in that timeline, but I think that's too messy. Why would the Salamanca's trust Tuco to run the cartel over Lalo, for instance? And why wouldn't Lalo have been the one to escort Jesse and Walt to Mexico if he's still alive? Nah, I think his death is coming soon. But, with these writers, they could find a way to go a different direction and make it feel plausible and true to all of the characters involved.

Kim's fate... OTOH, might be a bit trickier for them to pull off. I fully expect them to be able to do it, though.
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Old 04-16-2020, 02:28 PM   #2075
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When Walter and Jesse first meet Saul. He eventually pulls the "put a dollar in my pocket"
Shit. Not sure how I didn't catch that.
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Old 04-18-2020, 10:52 AM   #2076
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I wondered if it was going to be a 1 for 1 trade off. Lalo kills Kim and then Mike kills Lalo.

The most intense 10 minutes I have ever experienced in a show.
For a few moments Lalo had two thoughts in his head 1) Am I going to have to choke this bitch out and 2) This is the most bad ass bitch I've ever seen.
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Old 04-18-2020, 12:12 PM   #2077
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Kim runs off with Lalo.

That's how it all goes down.
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Old 04-20-2020, 07:30 PM   #2078
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Damnit, gonna miss this until next season.
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Old 04-20-2020, 08:46 PM   #2079
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Nooooooooooooo

Damnit, I don't want to wait another year.

Good episode, definitely going to be a helluva final season.
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Damnit, I don't want to wait another year.

Good episode, definitely going to be a helluva final season.
Going to be waiting 2 or 3 due to the corona
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Going to be waiting 2 or 3 due to the corona
Mike will be dead by then. If he's not, he'll just be one giant liver spot.
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Maybe.

He could also be speaking about an event in the past. Maybe he finds out the whole Hector/Ignacio thing and thinks they're coming for payback on the Hector pill swap.

Lalo dies. I don't think there's any question that Fring believes he's snuffed out the Salamancas altogether. But there's a fair amount of grey area where Saul could simply not have updated information and not realize it.
It now seems possible that Gus thinks Lalo is dead, but he's not. But at this point Jimmy/Saul also thinks Lalo is dead. Lots left to happen in the last season, let's just hope we dont have to wait a half decade for it.
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On the other hand, it would make ZERO sense for the twins to get killed by Hank and not have Lalo come to do something about it.
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I think Mike will end up killing Lalo to defend Nacho. Somehow, someway, Mike gets involved in that. Nacho leaves like he's been wanting to do.

At this rate Kim either ends up dead or in prison & I'm gonna go with the latter. After Breaking Bad why would Jimmy go to a smalltown Cinnabon in nowhere Iowa when he's got all that money? He could go off to a south american country and be set. He's gotta be waiting around for something & my thesis is he's somehow still involved with her in some halfway distant capacity, maybe waiting for her to get out of prison & they both ride off into the sunset in some other country.

Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
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