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Old 09-17-2018, 09:13 AM  
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Old 09-17-2018, 04:26 PM   #166
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FYI, Watts was in the game several times yesterday WITH the other guys. Guess what that tells us? They don't have enough players to get those guys off the field, even with Watts.
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Old 09-17-2018, 04:27 PM   #167
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Right, and the predominant idea to fix the defense is to fire Sutton.

It's a laughably futile idea.

That is the WHOLE discussion. LOL
I would’ve fired him because he’s very stubborn at times and doesn’t adjust until it’s too late or almost too late. That’s not up for discussion that’s a fact.


Bob Sutton is DC for historic collapses. He’s Hue Jackson bad at DC at times
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Old 09-17-2018, 04:27 PM   #168
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Because they're not good enough. Do you honestly think if they were good, they'd still be on the bench?
With how Sutton left Zombo in last year when he had Kpassagnon to rotate in and get some snaps, yet didn't do so, it honestly wouldn't surprise me one bit.
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Old 09-17-2018, 04:28 PM   #169
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So Fuller has a year where he is considered the top slot CB in the NFL in Washington and possibly top 5 overall in the league according to PFF, and then he comes here and starts playing badly? What happened? Talent doesn't just disappear overnight.
David Amerson was the top CB in the league according to PFF three years ago. He was one of the worst CB's in the league two years ago, with the same team, in the same system.
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Old 09-17-2018, 04:28 PM   #170
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I would’ve fired him because he’s very stubborn at times and doesn’t adjust until it’s too late or almost too late. That’s not up for discussion that’s a fact.

Bob Sutton is DC for historic collapses. He’s Hue Jackson bad at DC at times
You gonna fire Andy Reid too? He played a BIG hand in those playoff losses too.
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Old 09-17-2018, 04:29 PM   #171
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David Amerson was the top CB in the league according to PFF three years ago. He was one of the worst CB's in the league two years ago, with the same team, in the same system.
He also had a foot injury which is incredibly hard to come back from in that span.
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Old 09-17-2018, 04:29 PM   #172
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With how Sutton left Zombo in last year when he had Kpassagnon to rotate in and get some snaps, yet didn't do so, it honestly wouldn't surprise me one bit.
Zombo played last year because KPass wasn't ready. I heard that one right out of Reid's mouth in a presser.
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Look guys, I'm all for firing Bob Sutton.

I'm just not under the illusion that it's going to fix the defense because the simple fact is that it won't. Talent-wise, this is one of the worst defensive units in the league. Until that improves, nothing else is going to change.

It's all good, I don't feel like fighting anymore.
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Old 09-17-2018, 04:31 PM   #174
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Old 09-17-2018, 04:32 PM   #175
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Look guys, I'm all for firing Bob Sutton.

I'm just not under the illusion that it's going to fix the defense because the simple fact is that it won't. Talent-wise, this is one of the worst defensive units in the league. Until that improves, nothing else is going to change.

It's all good, I don't feel like fighting anymore.
No!!! You were winning!!

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Old 09-17-2018, 04:33 PM   #176
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Nah, with this defense, none of us are winning. It's awful, on that we all agree.

Thankfully, the CHIEFS are winning and hopefully that continues, in spite of the defense.
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Old 09-17-2018, 04:39 PM   #177
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Sutton made adjustments, not all of those adjustments were blitzes. Try again.

Ok but as stated in the article Marcellus just posted he changed his scheme to blitz more instead of sitting back and getting carved up.


And I totally agree with this part of that article. If you are going to be a shitty D at least go down trying.


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Reid also said in his PC today that Watts and Smith have gotten quite a few reps but it doesn't sound like they are ready to give them more right now. Shit I remember when we were a SB contender and Marty started rookies Jerome Woods and Reggie Tongue and let them learn on the job. They need to do that with these guys.
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Nah, with this defense, none of us are winning. It's awful, on that we all agree.

Thankfully, the CHIEFS are winning and hopefully that continues, in spite of the defense.
Fair enough. We've weathered the worst of the storm already. Hopefully Berry coming back and kicking some ass will inspire the rest of the team to play with some fire.
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Ok but as stated in the article Marcellus just posted he changed his scheme to blitz more instead of sitting back and getting carved up.
I understand that but the simple fact is that the defense made plays out in both scenarios. They also had major whiffs in both scenarios. It's all on the players. For example, they weren't blitzing at the beginning of the game, they were actually executing and making plays. I wonder if the beginning of games are "scripted"?

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And I totally agree with this part of that article. If you are going to be a shitty D at least go down trying.
I just don't agree, sorry. They're 2-0. Swinging for the fences is a baseball term. Giving up a 70-yard TD in 10 seconds would have lost the game yesterday. One of LA's drives took 8 minutes. It took them so long to score, there wasn't any time left to actually contend for the win. That actually counts for something.

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Reid also said in his PC today that Watts and Smith have gotten quite a few reps but it doesn't sound like they are ready to give them more right now. Shit I remember when we were a SB contender and Marty started rookies Jerome Woods and Reggie Tongue and let them learn on the job. They need to do that with these guys.
Absolutely agree there. I'm just not that confident that the guys they've drafted are any good. Too many defensive busts over the last 4-5 years for me to be confident that they will help but we'll see.
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Look guys, I'm all for firing Bob Sutton.

I'm just not under the illusion that it's going to fix the defense because the simple fact is that it won't. Talent-wise, this is one of the worst defensive units in the league. Until that improves, nothing else is going to change.

It's all good, I don't feel like fighting anymore.
In some ways you are correct about the talent, honestly we are 1 CB and 2 safeties away from being more than adequate.

I hope those guys show up this season in the form of Berry, Ward, and Sorenson.

That being said there is no excuse to not be more aggressive since playing conservative isn't working.
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