And so the "Matt Cassel to KC" Rumors Begin...

[FloridaMan88]

As if they hadn't started already...

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...&position=also


Matt Cassel draws interest


TAMPA - They might not have been one of the two Super Bowl participants last night, but the Patriots [team stats] still generated a lot of talk on Radio Row during the week.

With Matt Cassel making the rounds, there was plenty of speculation on how much interest he would draw should the Pats apply the franchise tag and then trade him.

The pundits’ top pick to land Cassel in that scenario is Kansas City. Obviously, the Scott Pioli factor weighs heavily in that choice, with the Pats former vice president of player personnel now calling the shots for the Chiefs.

“I’d really look at Pioli down there in Kansas City. Why wouldn’t he want him?” Sirius NFL radio analyst Jim Miller said. “He knows what the kid is capable of doing. So I think he’d be on their radar.”

Miller, like most analysts, doesn’t see the crop of quarterbacks in this year’s NFL Draft as particularly appealing. That boosts the draw for Cassel, especially if Pioli decides he’s not satisfied with the collection of QBs he inherited after taking over the job.

“I don’t think this is a strong quarterback draft. Everybody is saying Matthew Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of USC are going to go in the Top 10. I don’t believe that,” Miller said. “I don’t think those guys are ready. And I don’t think you’ll see the type of success guys like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco had. They just haven’t played enough. So I can’t see teams wanting them.

“But if Kansas (City) were to make that deal, that’s their Matt Ryan. That’s their Joe Flacco. Unlike a Sanchez, for instance, they know he’s playing at a starter’s level. So to them, I think it’d be worth it to do. They’d get their starting quarterback, they know what he’s capable of doing, and they’ve seen him win games at the NFL level.”

Other experts, meanwhile, aren’t sure Pioli would want to deal with his former boss right out of the gate.

Some other teams figuring to make a pitch for Cassel include the New York Jets, Detroit, Minnesota, San Francisco, Carolina, Tampa Bay and Chicago.

As for what Cassel would land in a trade, there were differing opinions. Miller, for one, thought he would cost a second-round draft choice.

The decision to trade or keep Cassel will ultimately depend on Tom Brady [stats]’s health. While reports have him on target to play in the season opener, he still has a few hurdles to clear before that point following reconstructive surgery on his left knee and a subsequent staph infection.

“I think a lot is going to depend on where Kevin O’Connell is in his development. If they feel they can move Matt to benefit their team, they’ll do it,” said Miller, a one-time Pats backup quarterback. “It’s rolling the dice on Tom and whether he’s healthy, and two, can they do it with Kevin O’Connell? The question they have to ask is if O’Connell is as capable of what they have in Matt Cassel?”

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Frankie

As many as Sanchez and Stafford put together.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

I'm really tired of people saying that Cassel performed almost the same as Brady, and compare his season to Brady's first. Brady wasn't throwing to Randy Moss, and Wes Welker his first season. You cannot compare the two. With the same cast Brady threw 50 fuqin TDs. The production is nowhere near the same. Take Moss, and Welker away from Cassel, and he does shit IMO.

Anyone who says Cassell performed the same as Brady is a moron. To me, the double standard is that Matt Ryan has become the poster child for taking a QB in the top 3, and yet he benefited about as much from his supporting cast as Cassell did. Why do people insist that Cassell only won games because of his supporting cast, but Ryan won games because he was a top 3 pick? In my opinion, you take away that running game in Atlanta, and Ryan would have had an average rookie season.

That's the part that bothers me. I think people are 100 times more critical of Cassell not because of what he brings to the table, but because of where he was picked. I guarantee that if Cassell were a top 15 pick with that same exact season, this entire board would be screaming up and down about how the Chiefs need to trade for him.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by arc

Really? How many times did you watch Ryan Leaf in college and what made you think he didn't have leadership skills?

Do I have to answer every stupid question? I'll answer this one and THAT'S IT!

I did not watch Leaf in college. But I saw enough of him in the pros to form an opinion sufficient for using him as a measure.

[Frankie]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

You listed poise and decision making.

Leadership is completely different.

Sometimes average players can be high-quality leaders on a team. It's not always the superstar that assumes this responsibility.

If you say so.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Anyone who says Cassell performed the same as Brady is a moron. To me, the double standard is that Matt Ryan has become the poster child for taking a QB in the top 3, and yet he benefited about as much from his supporting cast as Cassell did. Why do people insist that Cassell only won games because of his supporting cast, but Ryan won games because he was a top 3 pick? In my opinion, you take away that running game in Atlanta, and Ryan would have had an average rookie season.

That's the part that bothers me. I think people are 100 times more critical of Cassell not because of what he brings to the table, but because of where he was picked. I guarantee that if Cassell were a top 15 pick with that same exact season, this entire board would be screaming up and down about how the Chiefs need to trade for him.

What? If he was a top 15 pick and he only threw 20 TDs to Moss and Welker.....I wouldn't be wanting to trade for him.

[DaKCMan AP]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Anyone who says Cassell performed the same as Brady is a moron. To me, the double standard is that Matt Ryan has become the poster child for taking a QB in the top 3, and yet he benefited about as much from his supporting cast as Cassell did. Why do people insist that Cassell only won games because of his supporting cast, but Ryan won games because he was a top 3 pick? In my opinion, you take away that running game in Atlanta, and Ryan would have had an average rookie season.

That's the part that bothers me. I think people are 100 times more critical of Cassell not because of what he brings to the table, but because of where he was picked. I guarantee that if Cassell were a top 15 pick with that same exact season, this entire board would be screaming up and down about how the Chiefs need to trade for him.

Cassel is older and has less upside (not as physically gifted as Ryan). While Ryan did benefit from a good running game, as a team the Falcons rushed for less than 200 yards more on the season than the Patriots.

However, Randy Moss and Wes Welker are much better receivers than Roddy White and Michael Jenkins. Cassel also gets the advantage that he walked into a situation where he had already been with the team and in the system for 3 years whereas everything was new for both Matt Ryan and Michael Turner.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Frankie

Do I have to answer every stupid question? I'll answer this one and THAT'S IT!

I did not watch Leaf in college. But I saw enough of him in the pros to form an opinion sufficient for using him as a measure.

Okay, so you were just using him as a generic first round failure at QB and not any real specifics? Got it.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

What? If he was a top 15 pick and he only threw 20 TDs to Moss and Welker.....I wouldn't be wanting to trade for him.

If Cassell had any better a season, he would have been in the pro bowl. Don't you think that's a ridiculous standard that a guy is complete garbage if he's not a pro bowler in his "rookie" season?

No matter who his receivers are, when people expect you to throw for over 20 TDs, over 4,000 yards, and win more than 11 games in your first 16 games as a starter, then you know the expectations are ridiculous.

Cassell had a very solid season. I don't know if he can continue that success. I don't know about his upside. But it's amazing that people expect a pro bowl season from a guy who hasn't started a game since high school until 2008.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Frankie

If you say so.

If I say so? You listed leadership, poise, and decision making. Three characteristics.

When pressed, you collapsed the categories.

[chiefscafan]

only if it is for our early second.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Anyone who says Cassell performed the same as Brady is a moron. To me, the double standard is that Matt Ryan has become the poster child for taking a QB in the top 3, and yet he benefited about as much from his supporting cast as Cassell did. Why do people insist that Cassell only won games because of his supporting cast, but Ryan won games because he was a top 3 pick? In my opinion, you take away that running game in Atlanta, and Ryan would have had an average rookie season.

That's the part that bothers me. I think people are 100 times more critical of Cassell not because of what he brings to the table, but because of where he was picked. I guarantee that if Cassell were a top 15 pick with that same exact season, this entire board would be screaming up and down about how the Chiefs need to trade for him.

I disagree. Ryan made plays that few QBs in the league can make, and if he had Moss, and Welker to throw to, he would probably be the MVP of the league this season IMO.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If Cassell had any better a season, he would have been in the pro bowl. Don't you think that's a ridiculous standard that a guy is complete garbage if he's not a pro bowler in his "rookie" season?

No matter who his receivers are, when people expect you to throw for over 20 TDs, over 4,000 yards, and win more than 11 games in your first 16 games as a starter, then you know the expectations are ridiculous.

Cassell had a very solid season. I don't know if he can continue that success. I don't know about his upside. But it's amazing that people expect a pro bowl season from a guy who hasn't started a game since high school until 2008.

No one said he was garbage. He played well, but I don't think he does half as good if it was his rookie season, and he was throwing to White, and Jenkins. Like someone else said he's been with the Patriots, and practicing with them for three years, and he did not make the kind of plays Ryan did.

[Mecca]

When ComoChief and Frankie are on the same side of an argument it's obvious that if you have any sort of brain function you'll be taking the other one...

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by RustShack

Exactly our point, what your saying is an OPINION. What we are saying is actually how shit in the NFL works.

No, yours is just an opinion too. Even the personnel people in the NFL don't agree on things. It is all just opinion.

If you are so arrogant that you think your opinion is not opinion but fact then there is no point talking to you.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by Mecca

When ComoChief and Frankie are on the same side of an argument it's obvious that if you have any sort of brain function you'll be taking the other one...