NFL likely banning hip-drop tackle

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

But also imagine being an offensive player and seeing that. I think the video shows that there’s a threat of being over enforced for unintentional hip drop tackles but you also can’t deny that these offensive players bodies are moving very awkwardly. If it does in fact reduce injury it is very worth doing.

So early on you make a bunch of mistakes enforcing the rule but over time defenses will figure out how to tackle differently and refs will find the happy medium.

You can't hit high you can't hit low...where the hell are you supposed to hit?

[dlphg9]

Dude most of those looked completely fine. This shit is beyond ridiculous.

[Hammock Parties]

anything that keeps mahomes and kelce safer is fine with me

[PHOG]

So, when's the merger happen? NFL + AFFL.

https://www.affl.com/

[Megatron96]

Some of those tackles . . . well, I ask you, just what are those defenders supposed to do? The ball-carrier is getting past them; are they just supposed to let the guy run by them because they might end up 'drop-tackling' them?


Personally, I'm not a fan of the drop tackle. but we live in an age where everyone on a football field knows the risks and is required to be able to protect themselves, except defensive players.

Defensive players must also protect offensive players, that are doing their level best to make tackling them as hard as possible (for what should be obvious reasons).


Man, I miss the days when nearly (punters/kickers excepted) all players were responsible for their own safety. The double standard, with increasing bias against the defense, is going to eventually kill this game.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Some of those tackles . . . well, I ask you, just what are those defenders supposed to do? The ball-carrier is getting past them; are they just supposed to let the guy run by them because they might end up 'drop-tackling' them?


Personally, I'm not a fan of the drop tackle. but we live in an age where everyone on a football field knows the risks and is required to be able to protect themselves, except defensive players. Defensive players must also protect offensive players, that are doing their level best to make tackling them as hard as possible (for what should be obvious reasons).


Man, I miss the days when nearly (punters/kickers excepted) all players were responsible for their own safety. The double standard, with increasing bias against the defense, is going to eventually kill this game.

It looks overenforced. Need to get with the players union and carve out way more specific guidelines. Hopefully they’re starting broad but will hone down as they realize it’s impossible to overcome. It’s what tends to happen anytime they overemphasize specific rules especially brand new ones

[Megatron96]

It looks over enforced because it is over enforced. The NFL obviously wanted more offense/scoring so they began creating all these penalties against the defense, and now, well, here we are.

This isn't some fleeting thing; it's getting worse. And it's significantly effecting how the game is played. We've got QBs being coached to fake slide, then try to take off, putting defenders in an impossible bind, so they hesitate. In a game where hesitation is a sin. JFC, in the last few years we've had how many flags for 'tackling too hard'? People complain about poor tackling and overall defensive play, but conveniently omit the fact that defenses are being asked to not only do their jobs at an NFL level, but also do more to protect offensive players than they do for themselves.

It's freaking stupid.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

It looks over enforced because it is over enforced. The NFL obviously wanted more offense/scoring so they began creating all these penalties against the defense, and now, well, here we are.

This isn't some fleeting thing; it's getting worse. And it's significantly effecting how the game is played. We've got QBs being coached to fake slide, then try to take off, putting defenders in an impossible bind, so they hesitate. In a game where hesitation is a sin. JFC, in the last few years we've had how many flags for 'tackling too hard'? People complain about poor tackling and overall defensive play, but conveniently omit the fact that defenses are being asked to not only do their jobs at an NFL level, but also do more to protect offensive players than they do for themselves.

It's freaking stupid.

By January… 13 teams were starting a backup qb. That is a way bigger problem than poor tackling. In fact I’d argue that even with all the rules in place last season was one of the best defense seasons we’ve seen in many years. You don’t like 15 yard flags but I also don’t like seeing guys, especially offensive players and most especially WRs, getting knocked out of games left and right because defenses are hit sticking receivers.

The best thing the nfl can do is to keep great players on the field to the best of their ability. And this is a very big problem for the nfl right now. Soft tackling is WAY better to watch than Blaine gabbert playing for a month or longer.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

By January… 13 teams were starting a backup qb. That is a way bigger problem than poor tackling. In fact I’d argue that even with all the rules in place last season was one of the best defense seasons we’ve seen in many years. You don’t like 15 yard flags but I also don’t like seeing guys, especially offensive players and most especially WRs, getting knocked out of games left and right because defenses are hit sticking receivers.

The best thing the nfl can do is to keep great players on the field to the best of their ability. And this is a very big problem for the nfl right now. Soft tackling is WAY better to watch than Blaine gabbert playing for a month or longer.

So, was last season an outlier or the norm? Because just saying that "13 teams were starting backup QBs," without any context isn't very compelling, or at least it shouldn't be.

And how many of those QBs were injured by drop tackles? Just wondering, because I know at least a couple top-tier QBs were injured in no-contact situations.

I get wanting to keep great players on the field, but we've watched things decline to the point where DEs are hugging QBs instead of tackling them. And LBs/DBs are holding up instead of tackling running QBs for fear of drawing yet another idiotic flag (and a hefty fine from the league).

And at the end of the day, football is a violent extremely physical sport and injuries are going to happen. If you're that concerned about largely accidental injuries, maybe we really should just take the pads off and put the flags on and just play little girl football instead.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

So, was last season an outlier or the norm? Because just saying that "13 teams were starting backup QBs," without any context isn't very compelling, or at least it shouldn't be.

And how many of those QBs were injured by drop tackles? Just wondering, because I know at least a couple top-tier QBs were injured in no-contact situations.

I get wanting to keep great players on the field, but we've watched things decline to the point where DEs are hugging QBs instead of tackling them. And LBs/DBs are holding up instead of tackling running QBs for fear of drawing yet another idiotic flag (and a hefty fine from the league).

And at the end of the day, football is a violent extremely physical sport and injuries are going to happen. If you're that concerned about largely accidental injuries, maybe we really should just take the pads off and put the flags on and just play little girl football instead.

Yeah, of course you can’t ban everything. But there are specific plays that are more dangerous than others and hip drops are something like 20x more likely to cause injury. Horse collars are rightfully banned. Things like chop blocks, targeting, roughing the passer… as much as we hate their overenforcement, those types of rules by and large are good for the game.

And these injuries have been impactful. We’re talking playoff players like dak, tyreek, pollard, Andrews.

I agree there is a right way to do this. And I’m guessing the league will see that this enforcement is way too broad. The nfl as with all other restrictions that supposedly were going to end the league always finds ways to adapt. Create a clearer and much more limited definition, teach way better tackling technique and adapt from there.

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Yeah, of course you can’t ban everything. But there are specific plays that are more dangerous than others and hip drops are something like 20x more likely to cause injury. Horse collars are rightfully banned. Things like chop blocks, targeting, roughing the passer… as much as we hate their overenforcement, those types of rules by and large are good for the game.

And these injuries have been impactful. We’re talking playoff players like dak, tyreek, pollard, Andrews.

I agree there is a right way to do this. And I’m guessing the league will see that this enforcement is way too broad. The nfl as with all other restrictions that supposedly were going to end the league always finds ways to adapt. Create a clearer and much more limited definition, teach way better tackling technique and adapt from there.

Dak isn't a great QB. He's pretty freaking average. He just plays for a very visible organization. If he was playing for LAC or CAR, no one would give two shits about that guy. Hell, he might be out of the league a long time ago in those situations.

And while I could go on about the way these rules are enforced, the problem is a lot deeper than that, imo.

OL play is pretty mediocre across the league, probably due in large part to the lack of real padded practices/the reduction of preseason games/teams being unwilling to play starters in those preseason games.

And then there's the simple fact that the NFL has been cooking the rules for years now to allow mediocre QBs to be starters. QBs that can't read defensive alignments pre-snap so consequently don't make proper protection adjustments (or just never do it at all), that aren't big enough to play in the NFL, or just throw their receivers into dangerous situations on a weekly basis.

Point being, it's the quality of play that's the bigger issue when it comes to injuries, not how defenders are tackling.

Making it harder for defenses to play isn't going to fix things. Making QBs, receivers and OLs better at their jobs would do more to protect players, imo.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

By January… 13 teams were starting a backup qb. That is a way bigger problem than poor tackling. In fact I’d argue that even with all the rules in place last season was one of the best defense seasons we’ve seen in many years. You don’t like 15 yard flags but I also don’t like seeing guys, especially offensive players and most especially WRs, getting knocked out of games left and right because defenses are hit sticking receivers.

The best thing the nfl can do is to keep great players on the field to the best of their ability. And this is a very big problem for the nfl right now. Soft tackling is WAY better to watch than Blaine gabbert playing for a month or longer.

It's football. People get hurt. You can't prevent injuries in any sport. ****ing baseball has injuries and there is no contact in that.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

It's football. People get hurt. You can't prevent injuries in any sport. ****ing baseball has injuries and there is no contact in that.

You aren’t trying to prevent injury, you are trying to reduce it. And if there are certain injuries that can be signficantly reduced through intervention you explore it. That’s why baseball players wear helmets and pitchers get tossed and suspended for throwing at players heads. That’s why they changed the rules around blocking the plate and base runners trying to take a shortstops knees out.

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

NFL gonna be a glorified flag league within 20yrs lol.

-Papa CoMoChief circa 2004