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Old 01-23-2019, 09:33 AM  
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:12 AM   #121
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Would be good hire from all appearances.

If so, PLEASE let him make all the personnel decisions on defense!
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:13 AM   #122
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Listen I get you point,

But you do not change scheme because you drafted wrong. And you don't turn something that was a strength (pass rush) into a question mark.

And we have no clue how Houston will hold up being a DE, Demarcus Ware tried it and he was bigger than Houston and it didn't work.

All that being said, Steve is and has always been a SHIT DC who does not Blitz

Our sack numbers were great when we were beating up on teams up 10-17 points. That doesn't happen in the AFCCG or SB (and maybe not in the divisional round if you get Pittsburgh, or a better Colts team next year).

We will probably go down in sack totals, but we should be able to stop the run much better. Then if we upgrade our production from our DB's we will improve.

You can still get sacks with blitzing, especially when you have some decent coverage.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:13 AM   #123
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This was why I wasn't really excited about any of the young up and comers. Andy lets the DC have full control. He wasn't going to give that to someone that's never done it before.
Yeah - far better to give it to the guy that's failed about 3/4 of the time he's been given plenary authority over a defense over the last decade.

I mean everyone has excuses. ****, you can make excuses for Sutton if you want to. And I'm sure people will be here next season making excuses for Spagnuolo as well.

This is the time that the Chiefs should be making bold moves designed to push through the ceiling. They actually have an offense that can help the young up and comer while he gets his feet under him and takes command of that side of the ball over the course of a season. Shit, they carried the defense to the #1 seed this year.

The key is to have a cohesive unit by the post-season and I think a young guy would've had plenty of time to do so. Instead we're just recycling Reid's cronies.

Folks - this is the shit that proved his undoing in Philadelphia. I think Andy's one of the 10 best coaches of all time but goddammit we cannot lose another playoff game because the DC got his job out of misplaced loyalty and/or simple familiarity.

There are BETTER guys out there than Spaguolo. And if we take a chance on a guy who hasn't done it before (or not at this level) you're right that it's possible we won't actually get one of them. But if we don't take the chance, this product of his own press clippings is gonna be the same fungible asshole with a headset we've seen on the sidelines before.

You know who he is? He's just another Gunther. It took multiple failures, included failed HC stints, for people to realize that he was a nothing; just a product of Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith. But he yelled a lot on the sidelines and blitzed some so people just assumed he was a genius. Well we're at about the same point in the Steve Spagnuolo career arc. Let's just get him some yellow sunglasses and we should be good to go.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:13 AM   #124
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I don't mind that actually. We need to find out if the #2's are busts or were just out of position.
I’d draft another DE in the first 3 rounds too.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:13 AM   #125
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Would be good hire from all appearances.

If so, PLEASE him make all the personnel decisions on defense!
Terez stayed that Chiefs are going to go very heavy on defense in the draft.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:14 AM   #126
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Does Spags have a attitude? Can he get in your face? The defense needs some attitude
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:15 AM   #127
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Richard was never an option.
Yeah, that's the ****ing problem.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:15 AM   #128
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Does Spags have a attitude? Can he get in your face? The defense needs some attitude
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dAuHyiCuYM

You can base your own opinion.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:15 AM   #129
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Yeah - far better to give it to the guy that's failed about 3/4 of the time he's been given plenary authority over a defense over the last decade.

I mean everyone has excuses. ****, you can make excuses for Sutton if you want to. And I'm sure people will be here next season making excuses for Spagnuolo as well.

This is the time that the Chiefs should be making bold moves designed to push through the ceiling. They actually have an offense that can help the young up and comer while he gets his feet under him and takes command of that side of the ball over the course of a season. Shit, they carried the defense to the #1 seed this year.

The key is to have a cohesive unit by the post-season and I think a young guy would've had plenty of time to do so. Instead we're just recycling Reid's cronies.

Folks - this is the shit that proved his undoing in Philadelphia. I think Andy's one of the 10 best coaches of all time but goddammit we cannot lose another playoff game because the DC got his job out of misplaced loyalty and/or simple familiarity.

There are BETTER guys out there than Spaguolo. And if we take a chance on a guy who hasn't done it before (or not at this level) you're right that it's possible we won't actually get one of them. But if we don't take the chance, this product of his own press clippings is gonna be the same fungible asshole with a headset we've seen on the sidelines before.

You know who he is? He's just another Gunther. It took multiple failures, included failed HC stints, for people to realize that he was a nothing; just a product of Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith. But he yelled a lot on the sidelines and blitzed some so people just assumed he was a genius. Well we're at about the same point in the Steve Spagnuolo career arc. Let's just get him some yellow sunglasses and we should be good to go.
Maybe on a lot of it. Probably on some.

There are definitely better guys out there, but how many are actually available or an option?

Also, what DC hasn't been a product of having great players?
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:15 AM   #130
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Somebody is going to pay the price for Ford, I'm just not sure it would be for a guy on a franchise tag. Let's see what new DC we get and decide if we want to pay him that kind of cash or we can use it on a couple of upgrades (and re-signings). We have to have a D that can stop the run.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:15 AM   #131
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:16 AM   #132
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If the choice is Spags, then this confirms what we all discussed last season post-draft. And that's that this team was always planning a defensive transition to the 43, which is the current in vogue defense that coaches talk about as the best solution to pass heavy offenses.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:16 AM   #133
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If the choice is Spags, then this confirms what we all discussed last season post-draft. And that's that this team was always planning a defensive transition to the 43, which is the current in vogue defense that coaches talk about as the best solution to pass heavy offenses.
It also kind of shows that they should have ****ing done it last year and been done with it.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:17 AM   #134
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Steve Spagnuolo, his initials are SS. As in:

SS - Super Sport, SS 396 Chevelle
SS - Schutzstaffel in the German Army during WW2

Meanwhile, Bob Sutton. His initials are BS

And we all know what that means.

In short, as long as it isn't Bob Sutton I'm cool.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:17 AM   #135
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Guy's a JAG.

There might be a marginal upgrade here but this is organizational cowardice; known mediocrity over taking a chance on a guy who actually be a force multplier of some sort.

Even money says our defense is again in the bottom 1/3 of the league in most meaningful categories next year. If we're lucky we'll win the next shootout in January but Spags won't do anything to help us avoid it. There's just very little 'there' there. He's sizzle over steak and has been since he was exposed with the Rams. He has 1 halfway decent defense over the last 10 seasons to his credit and a whole bunch of pretty shitty ones.
I don't really have to write out a long post since you already put all my thoughts down.

Jesus ****, Andy.
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