Bob Sutton Fired

[MAG]

This is not a drill.
https://www.chiefs.com/news/bob-sutt...dinator-duties

[Sassy Squatch]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Emmitt Thomas is out, too.

Retired.

Good riddance. Fire DeLeone and Heck too.

[Hammock Parties]

You don't fire the OL coach from one of the best OL in the league just because of one lousy PO game.

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Rawlsian

Thanks Bob.
You managed to give up a 28 point lead against the Colts in 2013, an 18 point lead at home last year against the Titans, and earned us the title of first home team to lose a championship game despite having scored 30 points.

And that's just the playoffs

[FringeNC]

In reports on the possible firing then actual firing of Bob Sutton, there was talk of all the frustration within the Chiefs organization over the lack of in-game adjustments by Sutton. Who was (rightly) frustrated? Reid? Other D coaches?players? Veach? I'm guessing we will soon be hearing stuff that will make us even more disgusted that Sutton was kept for this year.

[Stryker]

[chinaski]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Emmitt Thomas is out, too.

Retired.

MUCH respect for the man, but he is 75 years old, it's time.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by chinaski

MUCH respect for the man, but he is 75 years old, it's time.

ya, no kidding, go chill.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Scapegoat identified, targeted, and neutralized.

Glad the worst poster on the board has weighed in....

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

You don't fire the OL coach from one of the best OL in the league just because of one lousy PO game.

Andy Heck???

Okay.

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Scapegoat identified, targeted, and neutralized.

Is this a joke post? You owe that man your latest fraudulent SB appearance. Well, I can see why you'd want him kept around, but no.

[ChiefBlueCFC]

So should I change my signature now?

[crayzkirk]

I understand that everyone wanted him to go however at some point, the players have to be held responsible as well. I am not going to fault players that earned contracts and have not lived up to expectations, that is the fault of management.

So, what happens next year when teams play a similar style of defense? Two of the best offensive players at their positions were non-factors in this game.

I put responsibility of the loss on the head coach. The Patriots did the exact same thing to the Chiefs that they did to the Chargers the week before. The offensive line had no idea who to block. The defensive line wasn't able to get by the blocking scheme.

It looked like the Patriots knew what the Chiefs were going to do and the Chiefs had no idea what the Patriots were going to do. How that isn't the responsibility of the head coach is beyond me.

[Cmd'r&Chief]

Originally Posted by crayzkirk

I understand that everyone wanted him to go however at some point, the players have to be held responsible as well. I am not going to fault players that earned contracts and have not lived up to expectations, that is the fault of management.

So, what happens next year when teams play a similar style of defense? Two of the best offensive players at their positions were non-factors in this game.

I put responsibility of the loss on the head coach. The Patriots did the exact same thing to the Chiefs that they did to the Chargers the week before. The offensive line had no idea who to block. The defensive line wasn't able to get by the blocking scheme.

It looked like the Patriots knew what the Chiefs were going to do and the Chiefs had no idea what the Patriots were going to do. How that isn't the responsibility of the head coach is beyond me.

Valid argument if this was the only group of players that Sutton has coached, but they aren't. Every defense under Sutton got progressively worse each season... At some point you gotta ask what the common denominator is.

[arrwheader]

So I am just now getting around to processing my feelings about this game. I was there. Ponied up the 700 bucks for tickets for me and my wife to attend. I left and mostly just shut out the feeling of leaving Arrowhead after another playoff loss.

I figured hey I’ll process this later and in a few days I’ll feel better and I’ll forget about the Chiefs for awhile and be ready to jump back in after a few months of the off season.

Surprisingly I’ve found myself pretty pissed off. Pissed off that myself and most Chiefs fans knew that they should have fired Sutton last year or we would have another potential playoff failure delivered by this asshole. Everyone seemed to know it but the guys on 1 arrowhead drive. I’m pissed of that we wasted an historic offense because of that bone headed decision that we all knew and watched as the season drug on would bite us in the ass.

Yea yea Sutton is gone now great. Thank god they made the right decision but at what cost? They waited too long and blew a shot at the Super Bowl. Mahomes will be here for a long time the offense will remain intact and we will have another draft to build on but each year is different. Andy said it in his press conference after the game. “Don’t forget how hard it is to get here.” Yea Andy we know and thanks for blowing it by not making this decision last year that most 10 year old fans could see.

A lot of people have more hope after this loss than others and I guess I still do as well. I just can’t help but feel a little discouraged by the fact that the Chiefs just can’t seem to get out of their own way. Why will it be any different next year?

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Originally Posted by arrwheader

So I am just now getting around to processing my feelings about this game. I was there. Ponied up the 700 bucks for tickets for me and my wife to attend. I left and mostly just shut out the feeling of leaving Arrowhead after another playoff loss.

I figured hey I’ll process this later and in a few days I’ll feel better and I’ll forget about the Chiefs for awhile and be ready to jump back in after a few months of the off season.

Surprisingly I’ve found myself pretty pissed off. Pissed off that myself and most Chiefs fans knew that they should have fired Sutton last year or we would have another potential playoff failure delivered by this asshole. Everyone seemed to know it but the guys on 1 arrowhead drive. I’m pissed of that we wasted an historic offense because of that bone headed decision that we all knew and watched as the season drug on would bite us in the ass.

Yea yea Sutton is gone now great. Thank god they made the right decision but at what cost? They waited too long and blew a shot at the Super Bowl. Mahomes will be here for a long time the offense will remain intact and we will have another draft to build on but each year is different. Andy said it in his press conference after the game. “Don’t forget how hard it is to get here.” Yea Andy we know and thanks for blowing it by not making this decision last year that most 10 year old fans could see.

A lot of people have more hope after this loss than others and I guess I still do as well. I just can’t help but feel a little discouraged by the fact that the Chiefs just can’t seem to get out of their own way. Why will it be any different next year?

Like you, I tend to relate more with anger when it comes to these things than sadness. In fact, when I hear the phrase "heartbreaking loss", it makes me want to vomit. Nothing about football and the Chiefs shortcomings "break my heart", but they sure do piss me off!

Anyway, I feel that the honest answer to your question is this:

A complete lack of ruthlessness on the part of this organization.

The Chiefs during my tenure as a fan, and probably going back to the beginning, have always been hell-bent on presenting themselves as the "good guy above the fray". During Lamar's time, it was unthinkable to sabotage the long-term friendship in the name of success. It just wasn't done. An example from the old days might be this; suppose that George Toma was the absolute WORST groundskeeper in the league as opposed to the best. The Chiefs would have a shitty field until that man retired, and just have to deal with it, because there was no way in hell Lamar would have fired him. He was a friend. Same with Jack. Same with Carl.

Lamar prized relationships over results and a lot of that had to do with having such initial early success and believing that his way of doing things was the right way, and that eventually, things would come back around again. I don't know how much AFL history you have under your belt, but Lamar's teams dominated the AFL, going all the way back to Abner Haynes and Cotton Davidson in the early 60's. So by the time we get to Super Bowl I, there's already a long tradition of winning at a high level.


If you look at Clark, he initially started out on the same path. Carl was kept FAR too long, and Peeholi was in no danger whatsoever of being fired until the fans had to stage a revolt and let Clark know that keeping Scott was NOT okay. Everyone of his siblings wanted to fire the guy, but Clark initially did not. And you see him surrounding himself with like-minded company. Reid is clearly loyal to a fault as well, and I'd wager quite a few people working under him are geared the same way. It's a culture thing, and it goes back all the way to the beginning.
"Only distasteful teams and people make a phone call and leave a message to fire/release a player". Okay, that's fine on general principle. But what if you need to move fast to seal a contract or pick up a new asset, and that particular player is not readily available? What if that asset in question is highly important and you're in competition with another franchise to secure his services, and you can't wait to have a sit-down with the guy you are releasing in order to get this deal done? See, Dorsey was that kind of a guy; move fast, get it done, and remember this is a business above all else. That's what a good GM does. Let the coach babysit the tears and egos, that's HIS job.

Funny thing is, after this latest playoff loss, I'm guessing that Clark might be having some serious remorse over letting Dorsey go. Why? Because Dorsey was more of an embodiment of that ruthless way of doing things, and because I'm betting and hoping that Clark is finally starting his final transition OUT of the "Old Chiefs" business model. I would REALLY hope that after the Berry contract and this playoff loss, a loss where as others have said that he brought in a bunch of Alumni, banged the drum, had the trophy bearing his father's name sitting in the building for 3 days, and in general became HEAVILY invested in this game, is now finally feeling a loss the same way that we the fans have been feeling them for YEARS.
You see, I'm betting it's no longer abstract to Clark. I'm betting that this one was not only embarrassing, but that it HURT. And when it hurts, that's when you want to start making changes. That's when you want to make it so that your chances of having to experience that hurt again are greatly lessened.

I don't expect our operations to mirror NE overnight. But the swift shit-canning of Sutton is a step in that direction, and I hope we don't have to experience another AFCCG loss to keep our owner properly motivated. And I'm betting we won't.

[SuperBowl4]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

It's the first step....but it's a good first step.

Now they should release Eric Berry.