Dee Ford: What next?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Posting this here because it feels much more likely to be a viable intelligent conversation right now and not a bunch of ‘**** you **** him!!!’.....

Alright. So what do you guys think we should do/will do with him now?

I think it’s prisoner of the moment thinking to say they should let him go based on the one play last night. But that doesn’t mean that it is or isn’t the right move necessarily. We’ve also got to consider that this front 4 could be even more lethal with a new DC.

The way I see it, it’s either tag or tag & trade. And I guess for me it would come down to where the cap sits and how much I can get back in said potential trade.

Thoughts?...

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Buccaneers would absolutely be a great fit. You're not getting their first round, but I don't see why you can't land a 2nd and a 2020 pick.

The Buccaneers have basically 0 pieces up front to run a 3-4 and they are going to need some proven guys to come in and produce. Bruce Arians is an old pile of shit that can't wait years for it all to come together. They need shit today.

Or maybe you could swing a Dee Ford for JPP + pick.

Yeah, JPP wouldn't be a bad idea. Thumbs up. Or whatever he has left.

Or maybe one of their ILBs.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

First you injure someone's hall of fame quarterback. Then their worthless backup comes in and makes himself look semi-credible by lobbing jump-balls to the most freakishly talented WR to ever play the game. Then you hire a fat shithead to run your personnel department who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground but who happened to play some marginal role in originally 'discovering' said worthless backup.

After that happens, the fat shitheads former puppetmaster slaps the franchise tag on the worthless backup because he knows the fat shithead doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground and will give up an actual asset to re-acquire his 'discovery'. After putting the tag on the backup, the puppetmaster fiendishly cackles and drums his fingers together like Monty Burns.

So then fat shithead calls his former puppet-master and offers to give him a second round pick for the worthless backup (who is under team control because of the franchise tag and the fact that he signed that ****ing tender before anyone had a chance to change their mind). The puppetmaster laaaaaaughs and laaaaughs and laaaughs and then sends a suitcase nuke to Arrowhead.

I ****ing hate you so much, Scott Pioli.

Thanks for the reminder of how intergalactically stupid this franchise is.

You could have thrown in that you first need to trade a 4th round pick for the stupidest human in the league to in remarkably short order dismantle a historic offense, and somehow not improve the historically bad defense all while starting a “youth movement” in which the previous won now coach had more players play 3 years than the youth movement had, which leads to hiring a fat shithead.

You know. To get the full scope of ineptitude.

[BryanBusby]

Looking at that front 7, yikes.

Beau Allen - Vita Vea - RNR?

Uh? - idk - wtflol - Vinny Curry

None of their LB's are really going to translate over well and their #1 edge guy currently is just ok.

They're going to need some DL, 2 inside backers (we can give them ****ing Ragland too) and some edgerushers.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Looking at that front 7, yikes.

Beau Allen - Vita Vea - RNR?

Uh? - idk - wtflol - Vinny Curry

None of their LB's are really going to translate over well and their #1 edge guy currently is just ok.

They're going to need some DL, 2 inside backers (we can give them ****ing Ragland too) and some edgerushers.

Yeah, that front looks atrocious in a 34. Damn.

I'd take Vinny Curry or Beau Allen here. Shit, i'd trade them Ford for Vita Vea

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Smith was still under contract though, so we'd have to tag him first to have his rights I think.

I was assuming it would be essentially done contractually before the trade was agreed to but kind of a hush hush thing.

Well...yeah. The team has to have the rights one way or the other. Smith was another year on his long-term contract. With Ford he'd have to sign the franchise tender.

Fords already said he'd gladly play under the tender so I don't imagine that will be an issue of any sort. And if he wants to go try to play hardball after that !@#$ing vapor lock, good luck, champ.

[The Franchise]

Can we trade Dee Ford for Lavonte David?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

Can we trade Dee Ford for Lavonte David?

I had thought about that but I don’t know if they could do it contractually

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by O.city

I had thought about that but I don’t know if they could do it contractually

His cap hits look like this:

2019: $9.75 million
2020: $10.5 million


There are no dead cap hits for the Bucs.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Sam Hall

Keep him unless somebody knows how to replace 15.5 sacks for less money. I sure don't. He's one of the only players who gave the defense a chance.

His 15.5 sacks came with a cost to this defense because he couldn't do anything else, like set the edge or stuff the run and we saw where that got us in the ACCG game huh?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

For those who like to do the mocks—someone should make one where we sign Landon Collins. Seems logical if Spags is here.

[BryanBusby]

The Giants aren't letting Collins walk.

[Rain Man]

You never let a good pass rusher go. Ever. They're too hard to find.

[Easy 6]

My gut emphatically says... well, bye!

My brain says if our new DC envisions some outstanding role he can play, then lets give it a brief shot and tag him

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

You never let a good pass rusher go. Ever. They're too hard to find.

What if they’re one-dimensional players
Who are complete liabilities in all other facets of the game, while also being really really dumb?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Rain Man

You never let a good pass rusher go. Ever. They're too hard to find.

Ford should only be seeing the field in known passing situations. Beyond that, he's a net negative in every other aspect of the game.

He's given the Chiefs 30.5 sacks in five years. You're going to be paying him like he's a 13 sack guy, but is he really? You don't pay for the aberration year, you pay for what the player is likely to give you.

For example: Aaron Donald had a career year this year, getting more sacks than he had in 2016 and 17 combined. Do you think he's going to continue to put up 20 sacks per year, or is he closer to a 12-14 sack guy?

Ford may give you 8-10 sacks a year on average (if healthy), but if that is coupled with horrific run defense, why pay him 15-18 million per year? Wouldn't a guy that gives you 6-8 sacks per year and plays competent run defense be a much better alternative and a hell of a lot cheaper?