***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by Graystoke

Shit getting real in Iowa. Meat packing plants are getting outbreaks.
I knew from the onset these would be our hotspots.

In related news the fudge packing plant is still running strong.

[Merde Furieux]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

Draconian? Strong word when people are dying by the thousands out there.

Where? NY?

Why does it bother you that someone would like to do some surfing in Jacksonville Florida?

[Merde Furieux]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, you just provided the evidence that it works.

No I didn't. That's why I asked you.

[kgrund]

Originally Posted by Merde Furieux

Do you have any evidence that they worked?

California Gov. Gavin Newsom, for example, has been credited for issuing his stay-at-home order relatively early, on March 19, when his state had 1,000 cases and 19 deaths. Cuomo followed suit the next day, but by that time New York had 4,000 cases and 30 deaths.

1 month later, April 19...

California reports 973 dead

https://www.latimes.com/projects/cal...king-outbreak/

NY, according to Cuomo, reports 10,000 dead.


Those numbers don't make any sense. Did "mitigation" work in California but not in NY?

Does it really make sense to continue "mitigation" when it can't be determined that it is actually doing anything beneficial when it can be determined that it is doing severe economic damage? Why all the hatred towards the people in Michigan who want to go back to work? Keeping them home isn't going to keep any one alive in NY. This whole thing just doesn't make any sense.

I venture to guess that the #1 factor driving the difference is population density.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Merde Furieux

Where? NY?

Why does it bother you that someone would like to do some surfing in Jacksonville Florida?

It doesn't bother me at all if someone wants to surf in Florida but to use the word 'draconian' to describe social distancing is a little ridiculous.

It's a crybaby mentality and frankly it's tiresome. It's almost over people should be happy not bitching at this point. Not saying Baby Lee was doing that but plenty of people still are.

[Merde Furieux]

Originally Posted by kgrund

I venture to guess that the #1 factor driving the difference is population density.

So your good with the results? 10,000 dead in 1 month. Mitigation works because it would have been...

How many dead without mitigation?

[FloridaMan88]

More attention needs to be focused on the group of people who are putting the biggest strain on America's hospital capacity during the pandemic... people with hypertension, obesity and diabetes.

People who don't take personal responsibility for their health, who don't maintain a healthy diet with low sugar/sodium intake... these are the people who are draining the health care system.

Hypertension, obesity and diabetes are overwhelmingly LIFESTYLE-influenced conditions.

Rather than talking shit about college students on spring break or people who are not strictly adhering to rigid social distancing measures... instead focus on the people who apparently can't figure out that eating salty/sugary garbage has severe health consequences.

Link: https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/ne...ns/2962721001/

Conditions present in adults hospitalized with coronavirus adult patients in US

[Mecca]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

More attention needs to be focused on the group of people who are putting the biggest strain on America's hospital capacity during the pandemic... people with hypertension, obesity and diabetes.

People who don't take personal responsibility for their health, who don't maintain a healthy diet with low sugar/sodium intake... these are the people who are draining the health care system.

Hypertension, obesity and diabetes are overwhelmingly LIFESTYLE-influenced conditions.

Rather than talking shit about college students on spring break or people who are not strictly adhering to rigid social distancing measures... instead focus on the people who apparently can't figure out that eating salty/sugary garbage has severe health consequences.

Link: https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/ne...ns/2962721001/

Conditions present in adults hospitalized with coronavirus adult patients in US

Dude calm down, unless your solution is to just kill everyone with a health condition which is rather insane, you need to chill out a bit.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Merde Furieux

So your good with the results? 10,000 dead in 1 month. Mitigation works because it would have been...

How many dead without mitigation?

If more people get infected it stands to reason more people are likely to die. How many more is hard to predict but the answer is more.

Russia started it out with less measures in place and are now changing course.

[Merde Furieux]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

It doesn't bother me at all if someone wants to surf in Florida but to use the word 'draconian' to describe social distancing is a little ridiculous.

It's a crybaby mentality and frankly it's tiresome. It's almost over people should be happy not bitching at this point. Not saying Baby Lee was doing that but plenty of people still are.

I was practicing social distancing and washing my hands all my life. I never had to be told to stay in my house indefinitely.

I think that's a little draconian. Especially when nobody can quantify that it's saving anyone from dying.

For example, I social distanced/washed my hands in 2013, yet 43,000 people died in the United States from the Flu.

I didn't die from it, though. Was I just lucky?

[Baby Lee]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

It doesn't bother me at all if someone wants to surf in Florida but to use the word 'draconian' to describe social distancing is a little ridiculous.

Now, now, now. . . . Don't lie on me.

I never even suggested that social distancing is draconian. I was making the exact opposite point that you don't want to get hung up on the definition of 'essential' when what you want to achieve is 'social distancing' or you risk being overly draconian without any effective purpose.

[WhawhaWhat]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

More attention needs to be focused on the group of people who are putting the biggest strain on America's hospital capacity during the pandemic... people with hypertension, obesity and diabetes.

People who don't take personal responsibility for their health, who don't maintain a healthy diet with low sugar/sodium intake... these are the people who are draining the health care system.

Hypertension, obesity and diabetes are overwhelmingly LIFESTYLE-influenced conditions.

Rather than talking shit about college students on spring break or people who are not strictly adhering to rigid social distancing measures... instead focus on the people who apparently can't figure out that eating salty/sugary garbage has severe health consequences.

Link: https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/ne...ns/2962721001/

Conditions present in adults hospitalized with coronavirus adult patients in US

Seems like a topic for a different thread.

[wazu]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

More attention needs to be focused on the group of people who are putting the biggest strain on America's hospital capacity during the pandemic... people with hypertension, obesity and diabetes.

People who don't take personal responsibility for their health, who don't maintain a healthy diet with low sugar/sodium intake... these are the people who are draining the health care system.

Hypertension, obesity and diabetes are overwhelmingly LIFESTYLE-influenced conditions.

Rather than talking shit about college students on spring break or people who are not strictly adhering to rigid social distancing measures... instead focus on the people who apparently can't figure out that eating salty/sugary garbage has severe health consequences.

Link: https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/ne...ns/2962721001/

Conditions present in adults hospitalized with coronavirus adult patients in US

Or how about we don't and just leave everybody the **** alone.

[Merde Furieux]

Originally Posted by Monticore

If more people get infected it stands to reason more people are likely to die. How many more is hard to predict but the answer is more.

Russia started it out with less measures in place and are now changing course.

"More".

OK. so not 2.2 million like they said back in January?

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by Baby Lee

Now, now, now. . . . Don't lie on me.

I never even suggested that social distancing is draconian. I was making the exact opposite point that you don't want to get hung up on the definition of 'essential' when what you want to achieve is 'social distancing' or you risk being overly draconian without any effective purpose.

Oh.. I misunderstood your post. My bad.

Originally Posted by Merde Furieux

I was practicing social distancing and washing my hands all my life. I never had to be told to stay in my house indefinitely.

I think that's a little draconian. Especially when nobody can quantify that it's saving anyone from dying.

For example, I social distanced/washed my hands in 2013, yet 43,000 people died in the United States from the Flu.

I didn't die from it, though. Was I just lucky?

Dr. Fauci and President Trump have both answered this question several times in their press conferences so you are better off googling for your answer.