***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by stevieray

How many people die every year from being misdiagnosed? Problems w/ wrong meds, etc?

IIRC, it's a pretty big problem.

Point is, it's not up to you to decide for others.

You'll be ok.

Misdiagnosis is not always due to incompetence, the human body is way trickier to navigate than some people In here seem to think , evident by some of the comments in here regarding novel viruses/vaccine/masks.

[eDave]

My body, my choice.
Your body, my choice.

[TLO]

Hospitalizations have stabilized a bit here in NW Missouri. Cases are still pretty high though. Will be interesting to see what happens over the next few weeks.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by eDave

My body, my choice.
Your body, my choice.

Non vaccinated body, coronavirus choice.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by stevieray

How many people die every year from being misdiagnosed? Problems w/ wrong meds, etc?

IIRC, it's a pretty big problem.

Point is, it's not up to you to decide for others.

You'll be ok.

The internet says between 40k-80k, so technically between 1/15th and 1/8th the problem as Covid...... or in other words, someone should be 8-15 times more worried about dying from Covid than medical misdiagnosis.

[Kiimo]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Point is, it's not up to you to decide for others.

You'll be ok.

I will be okay. Because I'm vaccinated. I know what I'm supposed to do is not care if the unvaccinated die because of their idiotic decisions but gosh I guess I'm just having a hard time letting you all suffer the consequences of disinformation but the more you talk the more I'm becoming okay with it.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

The internet says between 40k-80k.

That's a lot of people.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Kiimosabi

I will be okay.

Awesome.

Me too.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by stevieray

That's a lot of people.

It's about the same as the number of people who die from the flu and pneumonia every year... not sure of the breakdown of sheer incompetence vs. Dr. House cases vs everything in between though.

Not insignificant by any means, but makes up about a tenth of one percent of the ~35-40 million inpatient visits per year.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by stevieray

That's a lot of people.

How many people die each year because they don't take an illness or pain seriously?

IIRC, it's more than the number of people who die because of a physician's misdiagnosis.

That's a lot of people who don't know their bodies as well as they think they do.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

How many people die each year because they don't take an illness or pain seriously?

IIRC, it's more than the number of people who die because of a physician's misdiagnosis.

That's a lot of people who don't know their bodies as well as they think they do.

Considering about a million people/year die from heart disease, chronic respiratory diseases, and diabetes.... I would say a lot.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

It's about the same as the number of people who die from the flu and pneumonia every year... not sure of the breakdown of sheer incompetence vs. Dr. House cases vs everything in between though.

Not insignificant by any means, but makes up about a tenth of one percent of the ~35-40 million inpatient visits per year.

Docs are human, too.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Considering about a million people/year die from heart disease, chronic respiratory diseases, and diabetes.... I would say a lot.

Usually stemming from unhealthy lifestyles that take their toll as you get older.

Most people know if they've eaten right, exercised and took good care of themselves.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Docs are human, too.

Again misdiagnosis is not always due to any malpractice or human error. Body doesn’t always follow the rules.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by stevieray

Usually stemming from unhealthy lifestyles that take their toll as you get older.

Most people know if they've eaten right, exercised and took good care of themselves.

Those people often delay healthcare because they think they’re healthy, a lot of pathology doesn’t care how healthy you think you are.