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FloridaMan88 · 02-02-2009, 09:59 AM

As if they hadn't started already...

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...&position=also

Matt Cassel draws interest

TAMPA - They might not have been one of the two Super Bowl participants last night, but the Patriots [team stats] still generated a lot of talk on Radio Row during the week.

With Matt Cassel making the rounds, there was plenty of speculation on how much interest he would draw should the Pats apply the franchise tag and then trade him.

The pundits’ top pick to land Cassel in that scenario is Kansas City. Obviously, the Scott Pioli factor weighs heavily in that choice, with the Pats former vice president of player personnel now calling the shots for the Chiefs.

“I’d really look at Pioli down there in Kansas City. Why wouldn’t he want him?” Sirius NFL radio analyst Jim Miller said. “He knows what the kid is capable of doing. So I think he’d be on their radar.”

Miller, like most analysts, doesn’t see the crop of quarterbacks in this year’s NFL Draft as particularly appealing. That boosts the draw for Cassel, especially if Pioli decides he’s not satisfied with the collection of QBs he inherited after taking over the job.

“I don’t think this is a strong quarterback draft. Everybody is saying Matthew Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of USC are going to go in the Top 10. I don’t believe that,” Miller said. “I don’t think those guys are ready. And I don’t think you’ll see the type of success guys like Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco had. They just haven’t played enough. So I can’t see teams wanting them.

“But if Kansas (City) were to make that deal, that’s their Matt Ryan. That’s their Joe Flacco. Unlike a Sanchez, for instance, they know he’s playing at a starter’s level. So to them, I think it’d be worth it to do. They’d get their starting quarterback, they know what he’s capable of doing, and they’ve seen him win games at the NFL level.”

Other experts, meanwhile, aren’t sure Pioli would want to deal with his former boss right out of the gate.

Some other teams figuring to make a pitch for Cassel include the New York Jets, Detroit, Minnesota, San Francisco, Carolina, Tampa Bay and Chicago.

As for what Cassel would land in a trade, there were differing opinions. Miller, for one, thought he would cost a second-round draft choice.

The decision to trade or keep Cassel will ultimately depend on Tom Brady [stats]’s health. While reports have him on target to play in the season opener, he still has a few hurdles to clear before that point following reconstructive surgery on his left knee and a subsequent staph infection.

“I think a lot is going to depend on where Kevin O’Connell is in his development. If they feel they can move Matt to benefit their team, they’ll do it,” said Miller, a one-time Pats backup quarterback. “It’s rolling the dice on Tom and whether he’s healthy, and two, can they do it with Kevin O’Connell? The question they have to ask is if O’Connell is as capable of what they have in Matt Cassel?”

**1ChiefsDan** · 02-03-2009, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Palmer's junior year: 2,717yds, 58.6%, 13 TD, and 12 int
Palmer's senior year:3,942 yards, 63.2%, 33 TDs and 10 int

Cutler's junior year: 1844yds, 61%, 10 TD, 5 int, 134.81 rating
Cutler's senior year: 3073yds, 59.1%, 21 TD, 9 int, 126.07 rating

Stafford's junior year: 3209yds, 61.1%, 22TD, 9int, 153.17 rating

Is the point you are trying to make is that these 3 QB's have done nothing in the NFL?
Don't know much about Palmer, but Cutler is a moron. Great arm - bad brain.

Maybe Stafford can come in and not win a SB also?

Just wondering what this post is supposed to mean.

RustShack · 02-03-2009, 01:25 PM

So how many SB's has Cassel won?

**DaKCMan AP** · 02-03-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan

Is the point you are trying to make is that these 3 QB's have done nothing in the NFL?
Don't know much about Palmer, but Cutler is a moron. Great arm - bad brain.

Maybe Stafford can come in and not win a SB also?

Just wondering what this post is supposed to mean.

Carson Palmer played spectacularly 2005 - 2007 and missed most of last season due to injury. It remains to be seen if he can come back, but pre-injury he was the definition of a franchise quarterback.

Jay Cutler has impressive numbers through two full seasons of starting. Good completion percentage, lots of yards, positive TD/int ratio.

Stafford had comparable stats to both in college. Are you really too blunt to get the point?

Titty Meat · 02-03-2009, 01:28 PM

Yea Matt Stafford will be a good QB because Nutsack says he will. He's the same guy who was aginst Matt Ryan and for Brodie Croyle.

ChiefRon · 02-03-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Lets see what Thigpen can do.

We already know what he can do: lose games and get worse as the game goes on.

http://www.nfl.com/players/tylerthig...s?id=THI677677

Half Att Comp Pct Yds Avg Lng TD Int 1st 1st% 20+ Sck Rate
1st Half 204 115 56.4 1,425 7.0 75 13 6 69 33.8 15 11 87.2

2nd Half 216 115 53.2 1,183 5.5 45 5 6 58 26.9 13 15 65.4

Last Two Minutes of Half 67 30 44.8 304 4.5 32 3 3 18 26.9 3 4 54.6

Quarters Att Comp Pct Yds Avg Lng TD Int 1st 1st% 20+ Sck Rate
1st Quarter 90 56 62.2 633 7.0 36 5 1 33 36.7 4 6 97.1

2nd Quarter 114 59 51.8 792 6.9 75 8 5 36 31.6 11 5 79.3

3rd Quarter 93 53 57.0 557 6.0 45 1 2 28 30.1 5 4 69.2

4th Quarter 123 62 50.4 626 5.1 32 4 4 30 24.4 8 11 62.6

4th Quarter within 7 122 61 50.0 619 5.1 32 4 4 29 23.8 8 10 62.2

RustShack · 02-03-2009, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by billay

Yea Matt Stafford will be a good QB because Nutsack says he will. He's the same guy who was aginst Matt Ryan and for Brodie Croyle.

Well thank you Billgay for calling me the majority of the Planet. But I don't really understand your point, because last I checked Ryan wasn't available when we drafted last year.

Coogs · 02-03-2009, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRon

We already know what he can do: lose games and get worse as the game goes on.

That wouldn't be such a big deal if we fix our defense. We would never be behind in the 4th quarter, so it wouldn't matter. Just look at Sundays game. Steelers have the top ranked defense and a 20-7 lead in the 4th quarter. Game over!

Christofire · 02-03-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

He barely threw it to moss and could never connect on the long ball. He loved tossing those short routes to welker and some to gaffney. Moss's #'s would've been much higher if the guy could get it down field.

Here were Moss' stats:

Randy Moss 69 catches, 1008 yards, 11 TDs

That's a pretty good season ... even as a decoy.

Titty Meat · 02-03-2009, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RustShack

Well thank you Billgay for calling me the majority of the Planet. But I don't really understand your point, because last I checked Ryan wasn't available when we drafted last year.

Haha the majority of the planet favored Croyle? I'd say the majority of the planet doesn't have much of an opinon when it comes to QB's. It was obvious from day 1 Brodie wasn't an NFL Qb.

Frankie · 02-03-2009, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by arc

It's funny - earlier Frankie said that he saw a cross between Ryan Leaf and Carson Palmer when he watched Stafford play. A cross between those two guys in college, from a pure talent standpoint, would have teams fighting over the top spot to get him.

I meant leadership, poise and decision-making. I have no quarrel with the fact that Stafford has a strong arm and has physical attributes.

Frankie · 02-03-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

So how many SB's has Cassel won?

As many as Sanchez and Stafford put together.

**DeezNutz** · 02-03-2009, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

I meant leadership, poise and decision-making. I have no quarrel with the fact that Stafford has a strong arm and has physical attributes.

How can anyone without intimate knowledge of the kid, team, and program possibly comment on his leadership skills?

You can't possibly have an informed opinion on this from watching any player on television, unless the player goes TO on the sideline.

Frankie · 02-03-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

How can anyone without intimate knowledge of the kid, team, and program possibly comment on his leadership skills?

You can't possibly have an informed opinion on this from watching any player on television, unless the player goes TO on the sideline.

By watching him and his on field decision making. It's not full proof. But it gives you an idea.

Frosty · 02-03-2009, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie

By watching him and his on field decision making. It's not full proof. But it gives you an idea.

Really? How many times did you watch Ryan Leaf in college and what made you think he didn't have leadership skills?

**DeezNutz** · 02-03-2009, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie

By watching him and his on field decision making. It's not full proof. But it gives you an idea.

You listed poise and decision making.

Leadership is completely different.

Sometimes average players can be high-quality leaders on a team. It's not always the superstar that assumes this responsibility.

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