***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Kidd Lex]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

There's a ton of respiratory illnesses that it could be. This is what drives me crazy about all these people that are just positive they had Covid19 in Nov. when they more than likely just had the flu, because they haven't ever had the flu or haven't ever been so sick in their lives.

Agreed, and the Covid symptom list is pretty close to every other flu. The weird eye thing I don’t recall being a signature of other respiratory viruses, but really who knows. If not for the novel nature of this virus would we know about all these medical manifestations?

[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by FD

Crazy stat, 1 out of every 400 residents of NYC has died of COVID19. 1 out of every 150 65-74 year olds have died.

Do you have the other chart that would support those numbers because the one you’re showing doesn’t really support that math unless you’re actually counting the “projected deaths” as confirmed ones as well. Also, why are they using 2018 population numbers? Seems kind of weird

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by FD

JFC What is wrong with you?

Your face!

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by jdubya

Triggered much?

Nothing wrong with hydration and gargling. Does no harm.

It`s not like hes telling people to spray lighter fluid in their mouths and then take a drag on a cigarette.....but you can try it for us if you wish lol

edited to add: Please record on video if you try it........for scientific purposes

It's telling people to gargle ****ing salt water or vinegar and it will cure you of the Rona and save lives. You really don't think any harm would come from people believing that shit?

Some idiot has coronavid and thinks that gargling salt water kills it, so they do it and now they think theyre cured and can go out in public. Good way to get people to spread it.

[FD]

Originally Posted by POND_OF_RED

Do you have the other chart that would support those numbers because the one you’re showing doesn’t really support that math unless you’re actually counting the “projected deaths” as confirmed ones as well. Also, why are they using 2018 population numbers? Seems kind of weird

The data are from NYC, they count the total deaths and the total population from the 2018 Census survey (2020 hasn't finished yet). You just divide one number by the other to get the result I posted about. It is in the last column of the table.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by FD

Crazy stat, 1 out of every 400 residents of NYC has died of COVID19. 1 out of every 150 65-74 year olds have died.

Even if these numbers aren't 100%, NYC is still staggering. It is why I find it so hard to believe when someone suggests the virus has been silently circulating and there is some huge number of people with immunity.

I understand NYC has conditions that made the virus spread widely but why would their death rate be so different?

Where are all the deaths from these locations that supposedly has some large X percent with antibodies?

I guess NYC could have had a deadlier strain of the virus but scientific opinions on that sound dubious it could be enough different to explain things.

[TLO]

700 deaths reported on Worldomoters so far today.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Soooooo any good news out there?

[TinyEvel]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Soooooo any good news out there?

Well, instead of spending $250 at a steakhouse for Mother's Day dinner. We picked up an amazing Carnitas Burrito ($10) and split it, and $11 taco plate for our daughter. Called it in, walked in, picked it up, walked out. Time to watch the Last Dance on ESPN.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Soooooo any good news out there?

News has been fairly scarce the past few days. The death toll today is quite low, but it is Sunday - and Sunday numbers have been consistently low. Though I'll say today's number is low even by Sunday standards.

That's about all I've got.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

700 deaths reported on Worldomoters so far today.

That's super low even for a Sunday

[POND_OF_RED]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

Soooooo any good news out there?

It’s officially been half a year since a KC sports team lost a game. The longest streak in the country and in our history. Also, officially just 4 months until the season starts

[TLO]

The IHME model updated again today, if anyone cares.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

The IHME model updated again today, if anyone cares.

I've completely given up on that. It's curve fitting and not really forecasting. They change it so much and so often that you know whatever it says today will be changed again in a few days.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I've completely given up on that. It's curve fitting and not really forecasting. They change it so much and so often that you know whatever it says today will be changed again in a few days.

The only thing that really changed with this update was their level of certainty seems to have gone down. Especially at the state level.