***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

11 of the patients who died at Kirkland LifeCare before they could be taken to the hospital still haven't been tested. This could be happening in other places as well.

and 1,000 other people could have it and never get tested and recover. It's going to end up being sub 1% world wide. Wait and see.........

[BIG_DADDY]

So it's finally getting real out here. Big businesses working from home. Cryotherapy guy had client call in and said he had it but wanted to know if it was alright to come down for a treatment. He said the guy seemed like he was in a really good mood which he found strange. Of course he said hell no. They keep closing more schools. Riordan was the latest. Kid on the wrestling team had it. The coach there is my sons wrestling coach. He is on quarantine for 14 days testing negative. The dojo is closed until further notice. Wouldn't it be crazy if I was the first one to get it on this BB? I think it's just a matter of time until almost all of us get it.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Which is why I didn't mention them.

They're doing the exact opposite of us - massive testing, massive education effort. We're still sending mixed messages that it's contained or just like the flu. We're treating it like Italy did.

regardless of how they are containing it I'm talking about mortality rate. Should we shut up old people in spaces? Sure... Go for it.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

and 1,000 other people could have it and never get tested and recover. It's going to end up being sub 1% world wide. Wait and see.........

Unless somebody feels their life is in danger why would you go down to contagion central? I agree.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

So it's finally getting real out here. Big businesses working from home. Cryotherapy guy had client call in and said he had it but wanted to know if it was alright to come down for a treatment. He said the guy seemed like he was in a really good mood which he found strange. Of course he said hell no. They keep closing more schools. Riordan was the latest. Kid on the wrestling team had it. The coach there is my sons wrestling coach. He is on quarantine for 14 days testing negative. The dojo is closed until further notice. Wouldn't it be crazy if I was the first one to get it on this BB? I think it's just a matter of time until almost all of us get it.

It will become a seasonal thing. Thanks China

[penguinz]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Holy shit........ Donger I need some crayons for you.

If yesterday there was 26 Deaths and 800 Confirmed the mortality rate would be 3.25%

Today there is 29 deaths and 1050 confirmed giving you a mortality rate of 2.76%

Hence its dropping.............

That is not how it works. You can only determine mortality rates with numbers that have fully recovered and those who have died. Not total still infected.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

It will become a seasonal thing. Thanks China

****ing China. The media gives them a free pass again.

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by penguinz

That is not how it works. You can only determine mortality rates with numbers that have fully recovered and those who have died. Not total still infected.

No Mortality Rates are determined by Confirmed Cases Vs Deaths. Per CDC/WHO websites

[Loneiguana]

Originally Posted by penguinz

That is not how it works. You can only determine mortality rates with numbers that have fully recovered and those who have died. Not total still infected.

Yup, if you are talking about mortality rates, it is technically number dead versus number recovered.

[FD]

To me the way we have not done testing should be a major scandal.

The message from the Trump administration, after a Seattle teen was found to have coronavirus: "Stop testing." https://t.co/iuEdOTQ25u pic.twitter.com/6oMDiHE6NT

— Charles Я. Davis (@charliearchy) March 11, 2020

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by FD

To me the way we have not done testing should be a major scandal.

The message from the Trump administration, after a Seattle teen was found to have coronavirus: "Stop testing." https://t.co/iuEdOTQ25u pic.twitter.com/6oMDiHE6NT

— Charles Я. Davis (@charliearchy) March 11, 2020

Men are cancelled.

— Charles Я. Davis (@charliearchy) March 10, 2020

[BleedingRed]

Originally Posted by Loneiguana

Yup, if you are talking about mortality rates, it is technically number dead versus number recovered.

Not based on any formula the WHO and CDC use.

[Mecca]

Its like George Carlin...you know when I wash my hands? When I shit on them.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

and 1,000 other people could have it and never get tested and recover. It's going to end up being sub 1% world wide. Wait and see.........

Yeah if the real death rate is .5% and only 20% of the US gets it (both low end) - that's still 350k dead in the US and enough to easily overwhelm our ICU beds and ventilators if we don't slow the spread.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

regardless of how they are containing it I'm talking about mortality rate. Should we shut up old people in spaces? Sure... Go for it.

Mortality rates also spike massively when people can't get ICU/ventilator care - as we saw in China and are seeing in Italy.