***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by DRM08

March 1st - 1 total death
March 15 - 110 total deaths
April 1st - 5,100 total deaths

The trend is not great over the last few weeks, especially the last 7 days. Two days in a row over 900 deaths each day. If this is our new "norm" for awhile, it's gonna be ugly to watch this play out.

This is our new norm man and it's only going to get worse for a while before it tapers down. We're about to get a big awakening.

[KCrockaholic]

Originally Posted by RINGLEADER

Not going to guess numbers but all those days we’ve had 15K-25K new cases is going to turn into 1,000-2,500 deaths a day. Unfortunately we’re going to have a few weeks of this.

Yep

[HonestChieffan]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

111 are American citizens that are asymptomatic. 56 from Florida. They should be allowed off the ship immediately. Since when do we deny American citizens back into America? Are we that scared? Take a look around. The cats out of the bag, it’s everywhere.

People can be carriers while asymptomatic. Until they are proven a safe import, they can stay offshore and enjoy all the delights of a cruise.

Limit the exposure, limit the impact.

[oaklandhater]

31% day over day fatality growth rate for U.S.

Prediction accuracy over the past 19 days is 96.41% https://t.co/IH3HVmhTgv pic.twitter.com/Y9E9bIrY3i

— Chris (@ChrisTeso) April 1, 2020

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

This is our new norm man and it's only going to get worse for a while before it tapers down. We're about to get a big awakening.

It's a bummer.

Really hoping some of the drugs they are experimenting with can help slow it down.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

We lack a lot of ports in Missouri. So I have no real fear. But, NY, Fla, Washington, California have a lot and I could understand people there saying wait....we dont want the sick people here, we have enough.

They are not sick.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by arrowheadnation

I had to stop at the very first question. I don't know where the hell my paperwork is with my census ID.

Not sure if serious but I think you can go on and fill it out by address without ID.

Of course, in a few weeks they will mail you again.

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

111 are American citizens that are asymptomatic. 56 from Florida. They should be allowed off the ship immediately. Since when do we deny American citizens back into America? Are we that scared? Take a look around. The cats out of the bag, it’s everywhere.

I agree. It is already established enough that this isn't going to tip the scales.

Having them voluntary isolate is probably enough or give them an option for a more secure quarantine.

I think it is mostly politics and scapegoating.

[RINGLEADER]

It just keeps getting better...

On Tuesday, doctors in Detroit reported another disturbing case involving a female airline worker in her late 50s with Covid-19. She was confused, and complained of a headache; she could tell the physicians her name but little else, and became less responsive over time. Brain scans showed abnormal swelling and inflammation in several regions, with smaller areas where some cells had died.

Physicians diagnosed a dangerous condition called acute necrotizing encephalopathy, a rare complication of influenza and other viral infections.

“The pattern of involvement, and the way that it rapidly progressed over days, is consistent with viral inflammation of the brain,” Dr. Elissa Fory, a neurologist with Henry Ford Health System, said through an email. “This may indicate the virus can invade the brain directly in rare circumstances.” The patient is in critical condition.

These domestic reports follow similar observations by doctors in Italy and other parts of the world, of Covid-19 patients having strokes, seizures, encephalitis-like symptoms and blood clots, as well as tingling or numbness in the extremities, called acroparesthesia. In some cases, patients were delirious even before developing fever or respiratory illness, according to Dr. Alessandro Padovani, whose hospital at University of Brescia in Italy opened a separate NeuroCovid unit to care for patients with neurological conditions.

A lot more at the link:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/01/h...gtype=Homepage

[BossChief]

Over half the deaths from NY and NJ.

[HonestChieffan]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

They are not sick.

Well now, you know thats a reach. Not sick? Or showing no signs of CV? Its not possible you can know.

Most people will land on the side of protecting the people on shore. And if those on a ship are inconvenienced by staying on board, we understand.

But Im not buying your conclusion they are not sick as you have no way to know.

Chopper out lots of great food and drink and keep the soft serve machine going.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And to this day roughly 50% of the cases in the entire country are NY\NJ. Does that mean it won't spread elsewhere? No. But again those are the numbers that are proven.

It will stay in China.
It will stay in Asia.
It will stay in Italy.
It will stay in Europe.
It will stay in Washington.
It will stay in NY/NJ.

Probably not. It isn't going to kill everyone, but please adjust your expectations that this won't come to your community. It will come to every community that doesn't take the risk seriously.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by cdcox

It will stay in China.
It will stay in Asia.
It will stay in Italy.
It will stay in Europe.
It will stay in Washington.
It will stay in NY/NJ.

Probably not. It isn't going to kill everyone, but please adjust your expectations that this won't come to your community. It will come to every community that doesn't take the risk seriously.

He's been downplaying it since it started and continues to downplay it by saying 'Most cases are in NJ/NY.' While what he says is true if other states weren't practicing social distancing they'd be in a terrible position right now and that's being nice about it.

Once the virus stops peaking some areas will be able to ease social distancing quicker than others but to act like the CoronaVirus is no big deal in most of USA other than NJ/NY is ridiculous. The virus can spread like a bat out of hell. It's not something to be taken lightly.

This isnt an NJ/NY problem this is a problem for the United States period.

[oaklandhater]

Originally Posted by PAChiefsGuy

He's been downplaying it since it started and continues to downplay it by saying 'Most cases are in NJ/NY.' While what he says is true if other states weren't practicing social distancing they'd be in a terrible position right now and that's being nice about it.

This isnt an NJ/NY problem this is a problem for the United States period.

he blocked me cause I said our numbers would be greater than italy at some point I was right.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by oaklandhater

he blocked me cause I said our numbers would be greater than italy at some point I was right.

Right. A lot of ppl underestimated this and that's why we are in the position we currently are. To keep underestimating the virus is crazy.

We have to continue to practice social distancing every where not just NY/NJ.