Tyler Bray vs Patrick Mahomes II competition for backup

[Rasputin]

This should be a simple poll. Who do you all think will win the backup job to Alex Smith during training camp and preseason competition? Meaning the one that gets to suit up on game days to trust when Alex Smith gets KO~ed out of a game.

Andy Reid said this is a competition so let them duel it out.

Tyler Bray 5th year man being a back up to a backup gives him the edge knowing the system and being around the guys and coaching. He is currently the #2 quarterback.

vs the challenger


Patrick Mahomes II the #10 pick in the first round after trading up 17 spots and has a lot to learn but has desire to be the starting quarterback sooner than later.


This isn't about Alex Smith but who would you trust to go in a game if heaven forbid something happens to our starting quarterback to keep us alive for the playoffs?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Mahomes should redshirt. They'd be better off bringing in Tyler Palko this year. Mahomes needs to rebuild his mechanics and you can't do that while playing.

[19now11]

alex smith is a ****ing stud and will have a mvp year. bray would knock out mahomee in a fight, and ole kermit the frog boys gona bust out of the leauge soon any way. i say big arm bray

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Mahomes should redshirt. They'd be better off bringing in Tyler Palko this year. Mahomes needs to rebuild his mechanics and you can't do that while playing.

I thought about this as the third option but it is what it is. If they both suck I think the Chiefs would bring in another guy if they have too. I just think that the competition is good for the guys to have an insensitive to work for their jobs and worth.

[penbrook]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Mahomes should redshirt. They'd be better off bringing in Tyler Palko this year. Mahomes needs to rebuild his mechanics and you can't do that while playing.

This is why I want

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Mahomes should redshirt. They'd be better off bringing in Tyler Palko this year. Mahomes needs to rebuild his mechanics and you can't do that while playing.

Completely disagree. Mechanics are taught with the goal of creating a more accurate passer.

What if you're accurate without those mechanics? Why does your feet placement matter if you're dropping dimes 30 yards downfield?

I don't believe mechanics can be fixed. It's muscle memory at this point.

Mahomes has enough natural accuracy and arm talent to overcome the lack of traditional mechanics. Sure, they should be honed in an effort to be more consistent, but this idea that his mechanics are so far gone that he HAS to sit? I don't buy it.

With that said, i expect to see Mahomes win the #2 job by preseason week 3.

[Kiimo]

I'm going with Seth Keysor on this one. You don't need to rebuild Mahomes' mechanics to be successful.

[penbrook]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Completely disagree. Mechanics are taught with the goal of creating a more accurate passer.

What if you're accurate without those mechanics? Why does your feet placement matter if you're dropping dimes 30 yards downfield?

I don't believe mechanics can be fixed. It's muscle memory at this point.

Mahomes has enough natural accuracy and arm talent to overcome the lack of traditional mechanics. Sure, they should be honed in an effort to be more consistent, but this idea that his mechanics are so far gone that he HAS to sit? I don't buy it.

With that said, i expect to see Mahomes win the #2 job by preseason week 3.

I still believe Bray will be the #2. This will be his fifth season in this system. He has more arm strength than Mahomes but it's really close. Mahomes has better accuracy and better mobility.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by penbrook

I still believe Bray will be the #2. This will be his fifth season in this system. He has more arm strength than Mahomes but it's really close. Mahomes has better accuracy and better mobility.

I think it will come down to who wants it more and Mahomes seems up for the challenge he seems to strive and thrive where there is competition. That's the difference between the two. Bray has been in the system for 5 years and is just content to be a backup. If he wanted be a starter he would have asked for a trade so he can compete for a starting job somewhere. Maybe one day he would get the taste of starting like Damon Huard but that's his ceiling is Damon Huard third stringer career that does enough to stay latched to a team.


It took him five years to learn the playbook to call out plays and read defenses. I think Patrick Mahomes II will do much to progress much quicker than that.

[penbrook]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

I think it will come down to who wants it more and Mahomes seems up for the challenge he seems to strive and thrive where there is competition. That's the difference between the two. Bray has been in the system for 5 years and is just content to be a backup. If he wanted be a starter he would have asked for a trade so he can compete for a starting job somewhere. Maybe one day he would get the taste of starting like Damon Huard but that's his ceiling is Damon Huard third stringer career that does enough to stay latched to a team.


It took him five years to learn the playbook to call out plays and read defenses. I think Patrick Mahomes II will do much to progress much quicker than that.

It also didn't help that Bray seemed to be injured every year

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Completely disagree. Mechanics are taught with the goal of creating a more accurate passer.

What if you're accurate without those mechanics? Why does your feet placement matter if you're dropping dimes 30 yards downfield?

I don't believe mechanics can be fixed. It's muscle memory at this point.

Mahomes has enough natural accuracy and arm talent to overcome the lack of traditional mechanics. Sure, they should be honed in an effort to be more consistent, but this idea that his mechanics are so far gone that he HAS to sit? I don't buy it.

With that said, i expect to see Mahomes win the #2 job by preseason week 3.

If you don't believe that mechanics can be fixed then I guess all of those golfers on the PGA tour are wasting millions on lessons to correct problems that are unfixable.

[Reerun_KC]

Bray?

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Mahomes should redshirt. They'd be better off bringing in Tyler Palko this year. Mahomes needs to rebuild his mechanics and you can't do that while playing.

He has already done that, there is an article floating around about his major improvements. He started working on all aspects of his mechanics right after his last game in college.

Tyler Palko?

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

I think it will come down to who wants it more and Mahomes seems up for the challenge he seems to strive and thrive where there is competition. That's the difference between the two. Bray has been in the system for 5 years and is just content to be a backup. If he wanted be a starter he would have asked for a trade so he can compete for a starting job somewhere. Maybe one day he would get the taste of starting like Damon Huard but that's his ceiling is Damon Huard third stringer career that does enough to stay latched to a team.


It took him five years to learn the playbook to call out plays and read defenses. I think Patrick Mahomes II will do much to progress much quicker than that.

People keep saying Bray can run the offense- but where is the proof? Last time he was on the field against Live competition he was lost out there. I will believe it when I see it. Bray looks great throwing the ball around until he has to read a defense trying to break him in half. Not really sure how he has stayed on this long- he must really be good pals with Smith.

2PM will win the backup job- they are not going to let our future franchise QB miss valuable reps waiting behind a career clipboard holder like Bray.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

If you don't believe that mechanics can be fixed then I guess all of those golfers on the PGA tour are wasting millions on lessons to correct problems that are unfixable.

Different circumstances entirely. But you know this.

One gets to take his sweet ass time and go through mechanical check list and swing when he's ready. One has the time to go A, then B, then C, swing!

The other has far more decisions to make in a much shorter window. The other doesn't have time to think through his mechanics and "swing" when ready.

It's a bad comparison.

I'll go on record and state that Mahomes will ALWAYS have "bad" mechanics. Mechanics aren't going to be what keeps him off the field.