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[staylor26]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

So you agree with their reasoning, as long as it's to your liking?

The part about his production inside vs. outside is objective. It doesn’t matter whether it’s PFF or whoever saying it, that’s a fact.

Their grades are not the same thing.

Do you get that? Or do I have to repeat it for third time?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

The part about his production inside vs. outside is objective. It doesn’t matter whether it’s PFF, or whoever saying it, that’s a fact.

Their grades are not.

But is the element of subjectivity at least partially (if not totally) offset by the fact that their grades take into account far more than raw sack totals which we know can be misleading?

You're attempting to dismiss a holistic grade a subjective and thus not worthy of consideration while holding up a raw figure that tells only part of the story as completely unassailable.

That's clearly drawing a conclusion and then arguing from the conclusion rather than engaging in a reasoned debate. Especially when you say "I know, I've seen it" and act ads though your clearly subjective opinion is entitled weight while PFFs is not.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

But is the element of subjectivity at least partially (if not totally) offset by the fact that their grades take into account far more than raw sack totals which we know can be misleading?

You're attempting to dismiss a holistic grade a subjective and thus not worthy of consideration while holding up a raw figure that tells only part of the story as completely unassailable.

That's clearly drawing a conclusion and then arguing from the conclusion rather than engaging in a reasoned debate. Especially when you say "I know, I've seen it" and act ads though your clearly subjective opinion is entitled weight while PFFs is not.

I’m talking about production, not PFF grades. It’s simple, but you keep trying to make it seem like it’s more than it is or catch me me being hypocritical.

Clark is more reliable and more productive. That was my point from the beginning. He’s the better player. Period.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

I’m talking about production, not PFF grades. It’s simple, but you keep trying to make it seem like it’s more than it is or catch me me being hypocritical.

Clark is more reliable and more productive. That was my point from the beginning. He’s the better player. Period.

There you go again.

You can make a fair argument for better rusher. Probably.

There is NO argument for better player. Period.

You have to just completely reject reality and substitute your own to disregard Clowney being a superior run defender. He just is - dudes a monster against the run and for a fanbase holding out Clark's generally above average run defense as elite because he's not Dee Ford, it sure is odd to see Clowney's demonstrable superiority there being hand-waived...

[BryanBusby]

It's all being viewed and published through their eyes, which you call a trash source.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

It's all being viewed and published through their eyes, which you call a trash source.

Do you know the difference between objective and subjective?

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Do you know the difference between objective and subjective?

Certainly. Do you know what waffling means?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

Certainly. Do you know what waffling means?

I’m not waffling. I’ve been very clear about it, but you’re choosing to ignore what I’m saying and playing stupid.

I posted a PFF article because it made a good point about his production inside vs. out (along with the injury stuff), which is objective. It could’ve been from anywhere and it’s no more/less true. That doesn’t mean I’m contradicting myself by choosing to ignore their subjective grading system.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

It's all being viewed and published through their eyes, which you call a trash source.

Except for when he borrows their analysis...

[Sassy Squatch]

Jesus ****ing Christ. They're BOTH good players. There. Debate settled.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Who the **** cares. We got an elite pass rusher that can defend the run.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Who the **** cares. We got an elite pass rusher that can defend the run.

WE care, PGM.

We care.

Let the debate continue!

[BryanBusby]

There aren't even any stats showing how more productive he was outside vs. in. You say they wrote those words and took them to heart, but when DJ posted numbers you lost your goddamn mind

They're both good pass-rushers and who gives a flying **** if it's inside or out?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

There aren't even any stats showing how more productive he was outside vs. in. You say they wrote those words and took them to heart, but when DJ posted numbers you lost your goddamn mind

Umm yes there are. Sacks/pressures inside vs. out. Just because they aren’t in the article doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

And no, I didn’t “take them to heart”. It was something I already knew to be true and have seen for myself and heard from places other than PFF. Have you ever watched Clowney? Were you unaware of this?