***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by kgrund

So is Donger the guy that most people know at least one who has to argue EVERY point?

I think he just isn't sure he knows anything, and he believes asking repeated questions makes him appear really intelligent.

Kind of like in Catch Me If You Can when Leonardo DiCaprio is faking being a doctor, doesn't know how to answer the question so asks one of the medical students if he concurred. Made him look super duper smerttt.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Well, that was fun.

I put in a Ralphs order last Saturday to be delivered via Instacart that arrived about 90 minutes ago. I spent the better part of an hour spraying Clorox Cleaner with Bleach on everything.

Not only did the driver make substitutions, even though I clearly marked "No Substitutions", I paid at least $30 dollars more than if I'd gone to the store myself because Ralphs, for whatever reason, didn't apply my Ralphs card for coupons and the driver didn't pick up some of the more important items.

So, guess where I'm going tomorrow morning at 7 am?

Such a waste of time and money. I'll just mask and glove up from now on.

I'm using Shipt down here. No issues, Get delivery's within hours or pick my time. Substitutions are only done for hoarder stuff.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by kgrund

So is Donger the guy that most people know at least one who has to argue EVERY point?

Yep, he's a dumbass in disguise!

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by kgrund

So is Donger the guy that most people know at least one who has to argue EVERY point?

Affirmative.

[Mr_Tomahawk]

So what is the Missouri and Kansas new cases/death numbers compared to yesterday?

[petegz28]

California is actually surprising the **** out of me. While they are number 3 in total cases which given their population is to be expected they are very low in total deaths and their daily new deaths seem to stay under 30. There was some chatter on the radio today that they are saying their curve is flattening. I sure hope so. Cause right now the east coast is scaring the **** out of everyone.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

So what is the Missouri and Kansas new cases/death numbers compared to yesterday?

Are you sure you are not Tyler Bray?
It appears you are afraid to make a read for yourself for fear of getting it wrong.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by Mr_Tomahawk

So what is the Missouri and Kansas new cases/death numbers compared to yesterday?

About the same. Kansas had a jump in cases and 3 new deaths. Mo on the other hand only has 1 new death. Things will get worse here but in the bigger picture it's a hell of a lot better than a lot of other places

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Are you sure you are not Tyler Bray?
It appears you are afraid to make a read for yourself for fear of getting it wrong.

Just trying to keep the thread on track...

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by kgrund

So is Donger the guy that most people know at least one who has to argue EVERY point?

He isn't the worst on here by a stretch.

[displacedinMN]

The county that the farm is in has 0 confirmed cases.

I need to win the lottery. Evict the guy that is renting the house. Put in high speed internet and a water filtration system.
Start doomsday prepping.

Wife did not like the idea of living there.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by petegz28

California is actually surprising the **** out of me. While they are number 3 in total cases which given their population is to be expected they are very low in total deaths and their daily new deaths seem to stay under 30. There was some chatter on the radio today that they are saying their curve is flattening. I sure hope so. Cause right now the east coast is scaring the **** out of everyone.

waiting for the pete 'If it wasn't for NY/NJ' post...

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Donger

No, I didn't. You don't know that she would have done anything differently or had more caution if she weren't wearing gloves or a mask.

She would have touched her keys. Same result.

She would have touched her car doors. Same result.

And so on. I get that if she had followed proper procedure, she could have decreased her likelihood of infection, but sorry, I don't see the increase.

Please understand. I'm not trying to be difficult. Heck, I posted the precautions I take (and have) in this very thread.

If I improperly remove or put on ppe at work I increase my chance of getting contaminated, she was doing everything wrong multiple times and not using proper hand washing , putting on a contaminated mask and gloves is worse than not putting a mask and gloves at all.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by petegz28

California is actually surprising the **** out of me. While they are number 3 in total cases which given their population is to be expected they are very low in total deaths and their daily new deaths seem to stay under 30. There was some chatter on the radio today that they are saying their curve is flattening. I sure hope so. Cause right now the east coast is scaring the **** out of everyone.

It's possible that more of New York's cases are mature, compared to more of the cases in California being newer. Since Washington and New York are the earliest out breaks. One can expect their deaths to be higher as a result.

[petegz28]

And the clock is reset....