The case for Rex Ryan as new DC

[BossChief]

Here’s why I’d be happy bringing in Rex Ryan to coach the defense...

1st is we wouldn’t need to overhaul the entire defense as the schemes are similar...but the philosophy is different.

Bob Sutton’s years as NYJs DC team rankings

First year
13th yards ...6th in points
2nd year
18th yards...19th points
3rd year
17th yards...18th points

Rex Ryan takes over HC the following year in09

1st year
1st in yards...1st in points

2nd year
3rd in yards....6th in points

Drastic and immediate improvement

More stats to come on why I think Rex would be a good hire...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Great point! He took 4-3 personal and tried to make them work in a 3-4 scheme! It didn’t work out great, YET he still did considerable better than Bob Sutton ever did.

So you made two crucial points by pointing this out!

Switches from 3-4 to 4-3 with current personal will hurt! But with the right coach you can still be better than one of the worst in the NFL!


Thank you

Is he built for the new NFL?

The new NFL is built on fast offenses. Ryan's front 3 is built on space eaters instead of DTs that collapse the pocket. He doesn't use his edge rushers well. Quick DT and edge rush pressure is crucial in today's league. He uses tons of exotic blitzes which might not be realistic in a quick offense (and has it ever worked without Revis)? He's dime-heavy which as we saw through Sutton really struggled with the new emphasis on PI & def holding. And 3-4 defenses are adding a ton of speed to their ILBs to account for the spread which isn't a signature of his defense either. And arguably defenses these days need to attack vs. the complicated read and react Ryan's been criticized for these days.

Can he adapt his scheme to the new NFL? Didn't seem that way in Buffalo. But yeah, he's a good enough coach and mind that if he can, I'm all for it. But those things worry the hell out of me.

[mcaj22]

Rex Ryan and his outdated scheme is not built for the new NFL and has not shown any signs that he is.

[Chris Meck]

Big ego guys don't usually change much.

[jaa1025]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Rex Ryan and his outdated scheme is not built for the new NFL and has not shown any signs that he is.

The Chiefs defense under Sutton was not the same defense Rex Ryan ran. Look at the Ravens defense. That's a Rex Ryan defense. Aggressive!!!

[jaa1025]

Originally Posted by BleedingRed

Great point! He took 4-3 personal and tried to make them work in a 3-4 scheme! It didn’t work out great, YET he still did considerable better than Bob Sutton ever did.

So you made two crucial points by pointing this out!

Switches from 3-4 to 4-3 with current personal will hurt! But with the right coach you can still be better than one of the worst in the NFL!


Thank you

I think that's what a lot of people don't understand. They completely switched defensive fronts and that can take a few years.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

I think that's what a lot of people don't understand. They completely switched defensive fronts and that can take a few years.

it CAN, if you're stuck with the same personnel.

We're literally in a moment in which we need to either pay a ton of money to keep guys we have, or free up enough money to go get guys we need.

This is literally the best time to make a switch, if they want to make it. pros and cons either way.

But you cut Houston and Berry June 1 and you can afford to get guys to fit your schematic changes, whatever they may be if you want to.

If not, and you keep them and pay Ford, you're running out of money quick to upgrade.

[Why Not?]

I don’t give a shit if it’s Rex Tillerson or Nolan Ryan. It won’t be Bob Sutton and that’s good enough for me

[Rawlsian]

Gregg Williams would be nice. Maybe the players will stop playing so soft

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

The Chiefs defense under Sutton was not the same defense Rex Ryan ran. Look at the Ravens defense. That's a Rex Ryan defense. Aggressive!!!

Ravens also had a loaded roster of guys who knew how to tackle and cover receivers.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by Rawlsian

Gregg Williams would be nice. Maybe the players will stop playing so soft

About 2 weeks to late. He’s the DC of the Jets

[Mr_Tomahawk]

Kris Richard please.

[Rawlsian]

Originally Posted by Why Not?

About 2 weeks to late. He’s the DC of the Jets

Well, crap.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Ravens also had a loaded roster of guys who knew how to tackle and cover receivers.

Ahem...they were coached that way. Developed. Put in positions to succeed.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jaa1025

The Chiefs defense under Sutton was not the same defense Rex Ryan ran. Look at the Ravens defense. That's a Rex Ryan defense. Aggressive!!!

The Defense Sutton originally installed was not all that different. We blitzed heavily the first few years. The new NFL is built around pushing the pocket into the QB as fast as possible. Speed off the edges. Speed at LB to cover the distance of a spread offense. An attack mentality vs. read and react. Arguably, the Chiefs are further along than Ryan's Defense. They got rid of a few of those things. If Ryan comes back, he has to do something really different than what's he done in the past. He can't rely on 2-gap. Can't do that read and react shit. Has to cut down Dime. Has to prioritize speed over size.

[FloridaMan88]