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Old 01-22-2019, 01:52 PM  
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The case for Rex Ryan as new DC
Here’s why I’d be happy bringing in Rex Ryan to coach the defense...

1st is we wouldn’t need to overhaul the entire defense as the schemes are similar...but the philosophy is different.

Bob Sutton’s years as NYJs DC team rankings

First year
13th yards ...6th in points
2nd year
18th yards...19th points
3rd year
17th yards...18th points

Rex Ryan takes over HC the following year in09

1st year
1st in yards...1st in points

2nd year
3rd in yards....6th in points

Drastic and immediate improvement

More stats to come on why I think Rex would be a good hire...
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:05 PM   #181
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:15 PM   #182
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This is like hiring Gruden as head coach or Charlie Weis as OC.
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:21 PM   #183
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I think the Bills still owe $5 million to Rex next year. Aren't there usually offsets in those contracts? Why would he take the job?
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:28 PM   #184
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Rex is overrated. The Jets defense started declining when Mike Pettine left and Rex took over the play calling on D. Do you know how many times the Jets got flagged for 12 men on the field on defense when they were in the red zone? And that all started when Pettine left.

Bottom line is that the Patriots very rarely (if ever) beat themselves. You have to play smart to beat them in a big game. No lining up offside and you win the game
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:00 PM   #185
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:01 PM   #186
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Rex is overrated. The Jets defense started declining when Mike Pettine left and Rex took over the play calling on D. Do you know how many times the Jets got flagged for 12 men on the field on defense when they were in the red zone? And that all started when Pettine left.

Bottom line is that the Patriots very rarely (if ever) beat themselves. You have to play smart to beat them in a big game. No lining up offside and you win the game
Statically he isn’t 9-12 years top 10
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:03 PM   #187
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I seriously don't understand why anybody would unearth Rex Ryan again. He probably doesn't even know what a bunch formation is. They didn't have such a thing when he was reaching for the Peter Principle.

Good god.

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Old 01-22-2019, 07:05 PM   #188
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Statically he isn’t 9-12 years top 10
A lot of that was with the Ravens. How did their D drop off the cliff after he left?

He was all about statistics lol lots of penalties too. And dumb ones.
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:41 PM   #189
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In an interview with ESPN's Josina Anderson, Bills defensive tackle Marcell Dareus said that "everybody's job is on the line" on the team.

"I like Rex, personally," Dareus said. "I don't like to see anyone get fired.

"Everyone is fighting for their position, so we're at a point where we have to make a change."

Asked why he thought the Bills' defense seemed to regress under Ryan, Dareus told Anderson that he believes "we should've been more aggressive on defense ... because that's the kind of players we have."

"We want to put our foot on the pedal and keep it down knowing what we're doing and being strategic on what we're doing," Dareus said. "Not trying to match up with this team or that team. We want to have our identity [knowing] this is who we are and what we're going to do."

Dareus indicated Ryan's defense was too complicated.

"It was just too much detail for a lot of guys, and I feel like for a lot of guys it was too much going on for them to check here and check there, if this happens and that happens," he said. "Then nine times out of 10, a team will throw something out there that we weren't prepared for -- and then the adjustment to it we had to get used to and try to make it happen and make plays."
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"Too complicated. Not aggressive enough."

****. No.
Pretty much this. I love the guy and his attitude, no doubt. I definitely want more fire, blood, and guts on this defense. That said, I want the 3-4 dead, buried, and gone more than I want Rex Ryan.

And I've got some news for people wringing hands about "rebuilding":

THIS DEFENSE FINISHED AT #31. WE ARE REBUILDING WHETHER ITS A 3-4 OR A 4-3.

So there's that.
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A lot of that was with the Ravens. How did their D drop off the cliff after he left?

He was all about statistics lol lots of penalties too. And dumb ones.
I’ve posted the analytics multiple times, and you are wrong.
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Here’s why I’d be happy bringing in Rex Ryan to coach the defense...

1st is we wouldn’t need to overhaul the entire defense as the schemes are similar...but the philosophy is different.

Bob Sutton’s years as NYJs DC team rankings

First year
13th yards ...6th in points
2nd year
18th yards...19th points
3rd year
17th yards...18th points

Rex Ryan takes over HC the following year in09

1st year
1st in yards...1st in points

2nd year
3rd in yards....6th in points

Drastic and immediate improvement

More stats to come on why I think Rex would be a good hire...
What were Suttons first 4 years like here? Rex's ending looks very similar to Suttons if you look at his last few years in NY and his time in Buffalo.
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I’ve posted the analytics multiple times, and you are wrong.
He took over the number one defense in Buffalo in 2014. How were the stats in 2015 and 2016 after he took over?
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Old 01-22-2019, 08:23 PM   #194
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Ryan/Sutton have been propped up by

Ray Lewis - > David Harris - > Derrick Johnson
Ed Reed-> Darrelle Revis -> Eric Berry
Suggs -> Calvin Pace -> Justin Houston/Tamba Hali
Haloti Ngata ->Kris Jenkins/Ellis->Poe/Jones

do you see a theme forming. This scheme and these retread coaches have been propped up by some of the best talent on defense in the entire league for the last 15 years. They are literally fools gold. They ran all these guys into the ground and shaved years off their careers in this scheme. Think about when all these guys hit a wall they were basically toast besides Suggs and Lewis cause they are freaks. Berry is going out the same way Revis and Ed Reed did. Houston is going out the same way Pace and Hali did. All those d-lineman blew out their backs in this crap scheme.

When this scheme doesn't have the all pro talent it is absolutely terrible. The Chiefs aren't getting the next Ray Lewis or Darrelle Revis to walk through that door in 1 offseason. The scheme needs to be thrown away.
This. The big take now is that Rex's scheme needs studs to work right.

Well duh. What scheme doesn't work with studs all over the place?
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Old 01-22-2019, 08:32 PM   #195
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He took over the number one defense in Buffalo in 2014. How were the stats in 2015 and 2016 after he took over?
Great point! He took 4-3 personal and tried to make them work in a 3-4 scheme! It didn’t work out great, YET he still did considerable better than Bob Sutton ever did.

So you made two crucial points by pointing this out!

Switches from 3-4 to 4-3 with current personal will hurt! But with the right coach you can still be better than one of the worst in the NFL!


Thank you
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