No Chris Jones at OTA's.

[O.city]

As expected, Chiefs DT Chris Jones has not reported for the start of OTAs this week, per a source.

— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) May 21, 2019

[Redbled]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It'll be hard to hunt 'em up, to be honest.

I noticed it around week 5 or 6 when I was trying to figure out why our run defense was just so god-awful. They had more talent than that. So I started watching individual guys along the line on a play to play basis. That's when I realized that Williams was a pretty lousy run-defender despite having the frame to do the job. It's also how I became such a Stan for Nnadi. You watch the play and you'll never notice him. You watch him, OTOH, and so many little things he does jump out at you. (This was also when I realized that Justin Houston was, to my surprise, a pretty shitty run defender as well all of the sudden)

So when you have those two on opposite sides of the spectrum and you watch what Jones is doing out there - he's WAAAAY closer to the Williams side than the Nnadi side. He was constantly looking to penetrate. Even on the run plays he made, that was how he did it. But the problem is that you could watch the linebackers behind him trying to read the running lanes and they just couldn't do it because he'd just LEEEROOOOOOY JEEENKINS!!! shit and blast forward. In the process he'd absolutely hang them out to dry.

I don't know that I ever saw a real breakdown of his run defense because he was kindof a sacred cow last year. He's damn likeable and he made big plays so people didn't criticize him much. But starting in October and through the rest of the season I know we had several conversations 'round these parts where we'd talk about it.

It's not a new thing and it's not smoke blowing by the Chiefs. He was constantly going out there and trying to 1-gap. At times it made for big plays but just as often it hung out the guys playing around him.

Leroy is in my head now. One of the best vids ever.

[ModSocks]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I don't know that I ever saw a real breakdown of his run defense because he was kindof a sacred cow last year. He's damn likeable and he made big plays so people didn't criticize him much. But starting in October and through the rest of the season I know we had several conversations 'round these parts where we'd talk about it.

Yeah i kinda assumed he was playing undisciplined run defense, but never wanted to confirm that so i havent watched him. I didnt want it to be true! haha.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It'll be hard to hunt 'em up, to be honest.

I noticed it around week 5 or 6 when I was trying to figure out why our run defense was just so god-awful. They had more talent than that. So I started watching individual guys along the line on a play to play basis. That's when I realized that Williams was a pretty lousy run-defender despite having the frame to do the job. It's also how I became such a Stan for Nnadi. You watch the play and you'll never notice him. You watch him, OTOH, and so many little things he does jump out at you. (This was also when I realized that Justin Houston was, to my surprise, a pretty shitty run defender as well all of the sudden)

So when you have those two on opposite sides of the spectrum and you watch what Jones is doing out there - he's WAAAAY closer to the Williams side than the Nnadi side. He was constantly looking to penetrate. Even on the run plays he made, that was how he did it. But the problem is that you could watch the linebackers behind him trying to read the running lanes and they just couldn't do it because he'd just LEEEROOOOOOY JEEENKINS!!! shit and blast forward. In the process he'd absolutely hang them out to dry.

I don't know that I ever saw a real breakdown of his run defense because he was kindof a sacred cow last year. He's damn likeable and he made big plays so people didn't criticize him much. But starting in October and through the rest of the season I know we had several conversations 'round these parts where we'd talk about it.

It's not a new thing and it's not smoke blowing by the Chiefs. He was constantly going out there and trying to 1-gap. At times it made for big plays but just as often it hung out the guys playing around him.

Accurate.

I do wonder how much he was just saying **** it and going straight for the gold vs werthers originals telling him to do it or just plain not giving the slightest ****.

[RunKC]

Biggest takeaways from @spotrac:

- Chris Jones likely looking at Fletcher Cox money now, could ask for Frank Clark money next yr. Franchise tag possible.

- Tyreek Hill probably ~$16-17M/yr. Structure would mitigate risk.

- Mahomes might not get $40M/yr, could get GTD 4 yrs.

— Brandon Kiley (@BKSportsTalk) June 29, 2019

[O.city]

"If (Chris Jones) signs now, it's probably not the maximized deal... His bar right now would be about $17M per year with $63M guaranteed. But if he plays this year like he did last year, he could go after Lawrence or Donald money" - @spotrac

PODCAST: https://t.co/ZxmM3UekH4 pic.twitter.com/QK1GrEM8Lg

— Brandon Kiley (@BKSportsTalk) July 1, 2019

Little more from spotrac

[O.city]

Report: "No change" on contract front for Chris Jones, Chiefs https://t.co/BK0Nej549I

— ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) July 15, 2019

[Halfcan]

Seems Jones not showing up so far is a pretty poor strategy. He should have come in and torn shit up, showed he was in great shape and then negotiated. Whatever shortcomings the Chiefs think he has, could have been talked about and worked on during practice to show he can overcome them. Now both sides are entrenched in the past. Spags could have worked one on one with him and then reported that Jones does not fit in what he wants to do this season - or pay the man.

Jones deserves more money- but if you want a raise you have to negotiate for it- he drew a line in the sand and left no options but his.

[MAHOMO 4 LIFE!]

He has to report by Aug 6 or he becomes a RFA

[DJ's left nut]

He's gonna report; no worries there.

And in the end he'll probably get something at/near Cox's deal.

I just don't think it's the slam dunk some folks do. It's probably a deal you give him one way or the other, but I don't think you can be shocked if it ends up blowing up in your face on ya.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

He's gonna report; no worries there.

And in the end he'll probably get something at/near Cox's deal.

I just don't think it's the slam dunk some folks do. It's probably a deal you give him one way or the other, but I don't think you can be shocked if it ends up blowing up in your face on ya.

It's just a situation where I don't think you have to do anything until the time comes.

I know he wants to be paid now, but the Chiefs have him for 3 years at whatever that cost is. I'm guessing they may add a little bit in there to help entice a little, but in the end, he's not a perfect player.

Come in this year, show them what you've got and if you take it to the next level you'll get paid.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

It's just a situation where I don't think you have to do anything until the time comes.

I know he wants to be paid now, but the Chiefs have him for 3 years at whatever that cost is. I'm guessing they may add a little bit in there to help entice a little, but in the end, he's not a perfect player.

Come in this year, show them what you've got and if you take it to the next level you'll get paid.

Here's the problem though - you're about to have the highest paid player in the game on your team. Highest. By a lot. And who's salary presently really isn't in the budget at all.

This isn't trying to get someone from $12 million/season to $20 million/season. You already have $12 million in your structure that way. This is going from $5 million to probably something like $35-40 million. You're going to need to find $30+ million in extra cap space.

If you hope to do that AND keep a quality team around him, you can't 1) trade 1st round picks for Frank !@#$ing Clark...ugh...back to the topic at hand, you can't 2) sign guys when you absolutely have to.

You have to sign them early. And you have to be right. You need to approach Jones BEFORE you're left fighting with him in FA and using the tag. Same with Hill. The Chiefs have to use every single tool at their disposal to get those cap figures pared down and the only way to do that, in most cases, is to come at them early and trade risk for AAV.

It's a massive gamble and you'd better be right, but I don't think you can afford not to do it either. That's just the nature of trying to keep a young team intact in a cap league.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Here's the problem though - you're about to have the highest paid player in the game on your team. Highest. By a lot. And who's salary presently really isn't in the budget at all.

This isn't trying to get someone from $12 million/season to $20 million/season. You already have $12 million in your structure that way. This is going from $5 million to probably something like $35-40 million. You're going to need to find $30+ million in extra cap space.

If you hope to do that AND keep a quality team around him, you can't 1) trade 1st round picks for Frank !@#$ing Clark...ugh...back to the topic at hand, you can't 2) sign guys when you absolutely have to.

You have to sign them early. And you have to be right. You need to approach Jones BEFORE you're left fighting with him in FA and using the tag. Same with Hill. The Chiefs have to use every single tool at their disposal to get those cap figures pared down and the only way to do that, in most cases, is to come at them early and trade risk for AAV.

It's a massive gamble and you'd better be right, but I don't think you can afford not to do it either. That's just the nature of trying to keep a young team intact in a cap league.

I don't know what they'll do with Mahomes. There's been some whispers that he may go shorter with more guarantees, I dunno what that means to be honest.

Similarly i'd like to see them get Fuller under a nice deal that could save some, similar to Kelce.

But in the end, if Jones wants more than they're willing to give, whats your options?

[Dunerdr]

i think theres a chance they play jones then trade him next year on the tag and already have his replacement on the roster in khalen saunders. recoup some frank clark picks, save money, and get a more spags prototypical 3 tech.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

But in the end, if Jones wants more than they're willing to give, whats your options?

Hope that Saunders steps up and Clark turns out to be worth what they're paying him.

That's why the Clark move is so spotty, IMO. It's not just the draft capital, it's the opportunity cost. If you lose Jones (or Hill or Fuller) because you can't afford to pay for all of 'em, then that has to be tossed onto the pile of assets you surrendered to bring Clark in here.

Bottom line is that Frank Clark has to be better than he's ever been to make this a good trade for the Chiefs. I just don't see that as being terribly likely but we shall see...

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Here's the problem though - you're about to have the highest paid player in the game on your team. Highest. By a lot. And who's salary presently really isn't in the budget at all.

This isn't trying to get someone from $12 million/season to $20 million/season. You already have $12 million in your structure that way. This is going from $5 million to probably something like $35-40 million. You're going to need to find $30+ million in extra cap space.

If you hope to do that AND keep a quality team around him, you can't 1) trade 1st round picks for Frank !@#$ing Clark...ugh...back to the topic at hand, you can't 2) sign guys when you absolutely have to.

You have to sign them early. And you have to be right. You need to approach Jones BEFORE you're left fighting with him in FA and using the tag. Same with Hill. The Chiefs have to use every single tool at their disposal to get those cap figures pared down and the only way to do that, in most cases, is to come at them early and trade risk for AAV.

It's a massive gamble and you'd better be right, but I don't think you can afford not to do it either. That's just the nature of trying to keep a young team intact in a cap league.

All Veach has to do is two things that will cure all no matter what happens with FA’s: draft well and find value.

Find good players in the draft and find value players like Albert Wilson, Austin Reiter, Andrew Wylie, etc and we’ll be good.

I think Veach did a nice job of that this Spring. We’ll see