DT Thread

[RunKC]

This is a pretty solid DT class with some talent we could use.

Jer’Zhan Newton
Byron Murphy
T'Vondre Sweat
Maason Smith
Kris Jenkins
Michael Hall Jr
Leonard Taylor
Brandon Fiske
Darius Robinson

Which ones do you think fit us most?

[O.city]

I haven't paid alot of attention to them, but other than Newton, most of them seem very "squatty" run stopper types?

[staylor26]

Newton and Murphy are both on my short list for 31/32.

Assuming Jones is about to play his last game a Chief, one of those 2 to go with a WR in the 2nd feels ideal.

[kccrow]

I'm going to scream from the mountaintops that Newton isn't going to be anywhere near where we pick, Dane Brugler's thoughts be damned. That kid, to me, is going top 15.

Now Murphy I think is there. I don't know if I feel like any DT outside of Newton is truly worth a 1, but I wouldn't scoff at Murphy there if that's what Veach decides to do.

If I had to pick another DT to go in the 1st, I'd have Sweat over any not named Newton, honestly. That said, not sure that Spags would opt for a 360 lb NT.

I had Taylor there but I really fell off after revisiting him and his 2023 performance. So much so that I'm not sure if I have him in round 2.

I'm really high on Ruke Orhororo. I think he's the real deal. I worry that he, much like my guy last year Benton, is going to go in the 40's and we won't sniff him. But can I root for him to go in 1? I struggled with putting Benton there last year and I just don't know that I can put Ruke there either.

The guy I'm most curious to see a weight on at the combine is Kris Jenkins. I like him alot if he comes in at 300 pounds. I like him alot less if he comes in at 280. Kind of a similar thing to Darius Robinson.


I think some guys getting slept on are McKinnley Jackson, Gabe Hall, and DeWayne Carter. Jackson is a really good-looking NT for this system. I like Hall's build and ability to get pressure. Carter is a guy I'd take a whole lot earlier than most. I'd grab him up in the 3rd for sure. He's productive and disruptive consistently over years. If you can get him later than that? Win. I think he's this year's Kobie Turner.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I'm going to scream from the mountaintops that Newton isn't going to be anywhere near where we pick, Dane Brugler's thoughts be damned. That kid, to me, is going top 15.

Now Murphy I think is there. I don't know if I feel like any DT outside of Newton is truly worth a 1, but I wouldn't scoff at Murphy there if that's what Veach decides to do.

If I had to pick another DT to go in the 1st, I'd have Sweat over any not named Newton, honestly. That said, not sure that Spags would opt for a 360 lb NT.

I had Taylor there but I really fell off after revisiting him and his 2023 performance. So much so that I'm not sure if I have him in round 2.

I'm really high on Ruke Orhororo. I think he's the real deal. I worry that he, much like my guy last year Benton, is going to go in the 40's and we won't sniff him. But can I root for him to go in 1? I struggled with putting Benton there last year and I just don't know that I can put Ruke there either.

The guy I'm most curious to see a weight on at the combine is Kris Jenkins. I like him alot if he comes in at 300 pounds. I like him alot less if he comes in at 280. Kind of a similar thing to Darius Robinson.


I think some guys getting slept on are McKinnley Jackson, Gabe Hall, and DeWayne Carter. Jackson is a really good-looking NT for this system. I like Hall's build and ability to get pressure. Carter is a guy I'd take a whole lot earlier than most. I'd grab him up in the 3rd for sure. He's productive and disruptive consistently over years. If you can get him later than that? Win. I think he's this year's Kobie Turner.

I like Jackson as an option, and Carter I'd absolutely have in the 3rd. I also like Khristian Boyd a little later as a pass rush specialist. What are your thoughts on him crow?

[kccrow]

Boyd stood out at the Shrine game. He struggles with doubles but as a 1-gap penetrator that can make some plays, i'd like him on day 3. Maybe 4th or 5th.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by O.city

I haven't paid alot of attention to them, but other than Newton, most of them seem very "squatty" run stopper types?

Byron Murphy II has a 20% pass rush win rate.

[Nightfyre]

Is there a world where Madubuike comes available? Probably slightly cheaper, younger than Chris Jones. He would wreck with Spags.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Boyd stood out at the Shrine game. He struggles with doubles but as a 1-gap penetrator that can make some plays, i'd like him on day 3. Maybe 4th or 5th.

That was my thinking, glad we're seeing the same thing.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Nightfyre

Is there a world where Madubuike comes available? Probably slightly cheaper, younger than Chris Jones. He would wreck with Spags.

I doubt he's cheap enough to make it worth signing him here.

[O.city]

I wouldn't be opposed, but it's hard for me to be too high on a "NT" type earlier than the 4th with how cheap and easy those types are usually to find in FA>

Hell, Farrell has played well in that role.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by kccrow

I'm going to scream from the mountaintops that Newton isn't going to be anywhere near where we pick, Dane Brugler's thoughts be damned. That kid, to me, is going top 15.

Ultimately, yes I agree, but there are enough people that just aren't high on him at all to at least consider the possibility this early in the process.

But I do think Murphy is the guy more likely to be in our range.

[RunKC]

Yes it's early but I've now seen multiple mocks including Daniel Jeremiah's that have Jer’Zhan Newton falling to the late 20's.

If that happens I pray to God Veach trades up for that mother****er. Don't care if we keep Chris Jones or not.

I want that mother****er badly

[kccrow]

Newton is an ELITE pass-rushing prospect. His major failing is getting washed out in the run game. When he increases his strength and lowers his pad level in the pros, it will help him a lot there. He'll still lose length battles at times but he's as good a pass-rushing DT prospect as has come out in years. What matters most in today's NFL? We all give Chris Jones a pass for his shitty play against the run, and have for years. This guy averaged 6 sacks a year in college. I think I'll take the pass rush and worry about his run fits later. Put him in a 1-gap system like ours? Yeah, watch him feast.

[Chris Meck]

man, other than Newton, I'm just not super excited about this class.

Ororhorhororhoroorroo is an interesting prospect, should he fall to the third or something, but I'm not spending a premium pick for a run stuffer DT when those guys are relatively inexpensive on the free agent market.

And it's okay to not have stud DT pass rushers. Most of the NFL doesn't. It's nice to have one, and if we could sign one for 1/3 of what Jones wants that gives us 1/2 of his production, you sign a run stuffer to play next to him and you call it a win.