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Old 11-17-2017, 08:24 PM  
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*** Official 2018 Royals Offseason Repository ***
It's the end of the world as we know it... and we feel... fine?

2018 is a season of transition for the Royals, or at least it is at this point. Dayton Moore is back. Will he swing full into THE PROCESS 2.0? Or will he try to load up again and make some reload magic happen?

Pending Free Agents:
1B | Eric Hosmer | San Diego Padres, 8 years, $144 million ($5 million signing bonus; $20 million/year in Yrs 1-5; $13 million/year in Yrs 6-8 wth player opt out)
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3B | Mike Moustaskas | Kansas City Royas, 1, $6.5 million
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CF | Lorenzo Cain | Milwaukee Brewers, 5 years, $80 million
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RP | Mike Minor | Texas Rangers, 3, $28 million
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SP | Jason Vargas | New York Mets, 2, $16 million
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SS | Alcides Escobar | Kansas City Royals, 1, $2.5 million
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2018 MLB Draft Picks
#18
#33 - Compensation (Eric Hosmer)
#34 - Compensation (Lorenzo Cain)
#40 (Competitive Balance Round A)

Comp picks explanation:
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2018 Draft Names to Watch

RHP Kumar Rocker, N Oconnee HS, Georgia.
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OF Jarred Kelenic, Waukasha West HS, WI
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1B Triston Casas, American Heritage HS (FL).
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RHP Carter Stewart, Eau de Gallie HS (Ga).
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ANY Any, Any (Any). Any current top projected pick who slides for injury concerns. Includes current top prospect prospect SP Brady Singer, U of Florida.
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Old 01-28-2018, 01:08 PM   #991
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Sweeney is so insanely underrated. Hitting 333 with 144 RBI’s in a season, or batting 340 in a season to just barely miss the batting title, or his breakout 1999 season.

Give me Sweeney’s 4 year stretch from 1999-2002 over Cain’s.
I'd rank Beltran ahead of both Sweeney and Cain, but Sweeney was a hitting machine. Fans hate him though because he got hurt all the time. He was a great, great hitter though.
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Old 01-28-2018, 01:23 PM   #992
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The Royals paid Sweeney $55 million from 2003 to 2007 to produce as a number three hitter. The team lost at least 90 games four of those five years, and more than 100 games for three of them. Sweeney failed to play in more than half of the team's games in the last two years of his contract. I don't blame Sweeney so much as I blame Allard Baird for giving him that kind of money, and letting Beltran walk. Sweeney was KC's all star five times, because they have to take a guy from each team. A couple years he deserved it, but not all five. He had one post season AB in his career, and that was with the Phillies. Cain was an ALCS MVP. No comparison between the value of these two player. Cain was a much more productive player.
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Old 01-28-2018, 01:49 PM   #993
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Nice work taking a dump in the thread? Or... channeling PB, maybe?
He's always done that. Not in billabia kind of way though. I'm pretty sure he was just kidding around and folks got their hackles raised.
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Old 01-28-2018, 01:56 PM   #994
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The Royals paid Sweeney $55 million from 2003 to 2007 to produce as a number three hitter. The team lost at least 90 games four of those five years, and more than 100 games for three of them. Sweeney failed to play in more than half of the team's games in the last two years of his contract. I don't blame Sweeney so much as I blame Allard Baird for giving him that kind of money, and letting Beltran walk. Sweeney was KC's all star five times, because they have to take a guy from each team. A couple years he deserved it, but not all five. He had one post season AB in his career, and that was with the Phillies. Cain was an ALCS MVP. No comparison between the value of these two player. Cain was a much more productive player.
That’s apples and oranges and you know it. Without Cain, the Royals are still a competitive team with potential playoff inspirations. Without Sweeney, the 2005 Royals break Detroit’s record for most losses in a season.
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Old 01-28-2018, 02:06 PM   #995
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I love Lorenzo Cain. I would place him as the third-best Royal since Brett, behind Beltran and Gordon.

Gordon's five-year run from 2011-2015 is better than Cain's best period.

And Beltran was just a better player. Better defensively and a more powerful offensive threat.


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You would rank Cain above Willie Wilson and Frank White? Not sure i agree....

Cain was a great Royal though, no disagreement there.
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Old 01-28-2018, 02:12 PM   #996
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This was my first thought when I read the post....I liked Cain as a player, but mentioning him in the same conversation as Brett is silly.

While I loved the team that won the WS in 2015, nothing will compare to the team that was the Royals in the late 70's thru the 80's.

There were guys on that team that make Cain an afterthought.....

If I think of Lorenzo Cain I am not even putting him in the Top 20 of present or former Royals.

That doesn't diminish what he did here....he was a great defensive player and without him this team doesn't win the AL Championship, much less get to the World Series.
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Sweeney is so insanely underrated. Hitting 333 with 144 RBI’s in a season, or batting 340 in a season to just barely miss the batting title, or his breakout 1999 season.

Give me Sweeney’s 4 year stretch from 1999-2002 over Cain’s.
Why? Played 1B and DH. CF is a much more coveted position especially at Kaufman. Can can steal, defend, hit and developed a little power here.

I do believe Beltran is a better player overall and did it for longer, but his best seasons were not in KC. Alex Gordon probably would be my opinion for the best Royal since Brett if he didn't shit the bed the last couple of years.

And no, nobody is in the same conversation as Brett, that I've said SINCE Brett. But not in the Top 20 of players in Royals history is absurd.
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Old 01-28-2018, 02:20 PM   #997
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Royals All Time WAR
1. George Brett - 88.4
2. Amos Otis - 44.6
3. Willie Wilson - 42.2
4. Frank White - 34.7
5. Alex Gordon - 32.7
6. Hal McRae - 27.7
7. Lorenzo Cain - 25.7
8. Carlos Beltran - 24.7
9. Mike Sweeney - 23.2
10. John Mayberry - 21.2
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Old 01-28-2018, 02:26 PM   #998
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I'd rank Beltran ahead of both Sweeney and Cain, but Sweeney was a hitting machine. Fans hate him though because he got hurt all the time. He was a great, great hitter though.
Yeah, I mean Sweeney got 11th in the MVP voting one year. What a stud.

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You would rank Cain above Willie Wilson and Frank White? Not sure i agree....

Cain was a great Royal though, no disagreement there.
Willie Wilson? Probably not. Frank White? hahah. Absolutely.

How many players in Royals history got 3rd in MVP voting? Seriously? Cain did.
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Why? Played 1B and DH. CF is a much more coveted position especially at Kaufman. Can can steal, defend, hit and developed a little power here.

I do believe Beltran is a better player overall and did it for longer, but his best seasons were not in KC. Alex Gordon probably would be my opinion for the best Royal since Brett if he didn't shit the bed the last couple of years.

And no, nobody is in the same conversation as Brett, that I've said SINCE Brett. But not in the Top 20 of players in Royals history is absurd.
The difference between what you and I are looking at is that I am including Pitchers....and unless I am reading you wrong you would rate Cain higher than Frank White? Seriously?
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Yeah, I mean Sweeney got 11th in the MVP voting one year. What a stud.



Willie Wilson? Probably not. Frank White? hahah. Absolutely.

How many players in Royals history got 3rd in MVP voting? Seriously? Cain did.
Thankfully, we don’t judge a player’s overall skill or impact on a team on where they placed on the yearly MVP ballot.
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Old 01-28-2018, 02:57 PM   #1001
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And without further adieu, my Top 25 list of Royals. I know you all have been anxiously awaiting

BWilliie's Top 25 Royals Positional Player list
1. George Brett
2. Amos Otis
3. Willie Wilson
4. Lorenzo Cain
5. John Mayberry
6. Alex Gordon
7. Salvador Perez (probably going to end up higher)
8. Carlos Beltran
9. Frank White (probably too high honestly, but longevity points)
10. Hal McRae (should be 5 pts higher for the throwing phone incident)
11. Mike Moustakas
12. Eric Hosmer
13. Mike Sweeney
14. Al Cowens (Dude got 2nd in MVP voting one year)
15. Bo Jackson (probably too high honestly, but would have been much higher if not injuries)
16. Johnny Damon
17. Freddie Patek
18. Danny Tartabull
19. Jermaine Dye
20. Steve Balboni (only cuz of HR record)
21. Joe Randa
22. Billy Butler
23. Jarrod Dyson (probably should be higher)
24. David DeJesus
25. Mike McFarlane
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Old 01-28-2018, 03:50 PM   #1002
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And without further adieu, my Top 25 list of Royals. I know you all have been anxiously awaiting

BWilliie's Top 25 Royals Positional Player list
1. George Brett
2. Amos Otis
3. Willie Wilson
4. Lorenzo Cain
5. John Mayberry
6. Alex Gordon
7. Salvador Perez (probably going to end up higher)
8. Carlos Beltran
9. Frank White (probably too high honestly, but longevity points)
10. Hal McRae (should be 5 pts higher for the throwing phone incident)
11. Mike Moustakas
12. Eric Hosmer
13. Mike Sweeney
14. Al Cowens (Dude got 2nd in MVP voting one year)
15. Bo Jackson (probably too high honestly, but would have been much higher if not injuries)
16. Johnny Damon
17. Freddie Patek
18. Danny Tartabull
19. Jermaine Dye
20. Steve Balboni (only cuz of HR record)
21. Joe Randa
22. Billy Butler
23. Jarrod Dyson (probably should be higher)
24. David DeJesus
25. Mike McFarlane
Couple of guys you should consider: Darrell Porter, Cookie Rojas, Kendres Morales.
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Old 01-28-2018, 04:15 PM   #1003
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Ok I had Cain on my mind all night. The Royals had a day night double hitter on July 4th. Cain hit a grand slam in the sonic slam inning. Going to see that a ton of times every sonic slam inning.
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And without further adieu, my Top 25 list of Royals. I know you all have been anxiously awaiting

BWilliie's Top 25 Royals Positional Player list
1. George Brett
2. Amos Otis
3. Willie Wilson
4. Lorenzo Cain
5. John Mayberry
6. Alex Gordon
7. Salvador Perez (probably going to end up higher)
8. Carlos Beltran
9. Frank White (probably too high honestly, but longevity points)
10. Hal McRae (should be 5 pts higher for the throwing phone incident)
11. Mike Moustakas
12. Eric Hosmer
13. Mike Sweeney
14. Al Cowens (Dude got 2nd in MVP voting one year)
15. Bo Jackson (probably too high honestly, but would have been much higher if not injuries)
16. Johnny Damon
17. Freddie Patek
18. Danny Tartabull
19. Jermaine Dye
20. Steve Balboni (only cuz of HR record)
21. Joe Randa
22. Billy Butler
23. Jarrod Dyson (probably should be higher)
24. David DeJesus
25. Mike McFarlane
Kevin Seitzer?
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