Tom Hardy is the new 007

[Mephistopheles Janx]

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[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Heh. You’ve anyway disliked Whedon.

I’ll say this, I think he’s a better writer than a director.

I just don't like anything about his work and from all of the chatter coming from Jason Momoa and Ray Fisher, I like him even less, which I didn't even think was possible after his ex-wife revealed he was a lying, cheating, "fake-feminist" asshole back in 2017.

But the proof is in the pudding: Watch one hour of The Avengers, then one hour of Captain America: Winter Soldier and it's immediately clear that Whedon's work was subpar.

The Russo's showed us what the MCU could be while Whedon just showed us what we knew already.

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm still not a fan of Joss Whedon's work and in my opinion, it pales in comparison to the work of Jon Favreau, James Gunn, Taika Waititi and especially the Russo Brothers.

While Justice League is being reshot, re-edited and re-scored, all of which will all but wipe out Joss Whedon's version of Justice League, it's a damn shame that the same can't be done for The Avengers and Age of Ultron.

Had the Russo's or any of the others I mentioned helmed those films, it's all but guaranteed they'd be lightyears better than what Whedon oversaw.

Agreed. Winter Soldier remains my favorite Marvel Film.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

{cough}Ironman 3{coughcough}

2 is worse than 3. 2 undercut so much of what 1 established it was a rough watch.

It’s more believable that he’d have problems dealing post avengers than partying your life away after what he did in 1.

Similar levels of hokey.

Neither is unwatchable. Not great, not unwatchable. JMO.

[Gravedigger]

I don't know if anything can surpass Casino Royale imo. I love most Bond films so count me in, I was more wishing for Tom Hardy as Wolverine but Bond would be a good watch too.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

I don't know if anything can surpass Casino Royale imo. I love most Bond films so count me in, I was more wishing for Tom Hardy as Wolverine but Bond would be a good watch too.

I like Daniel Craig as Bond and thought Casino Royale and Skyfall were absolutely amazing but it's time to move on to another actor, IMO.

It's a damn shame that Pierce Brosnan wasn't given the same quality of script and production values because I think if he had, he'd be the 2nd best Bond of all time, next to Sean Connery.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I guess we're in the minority but my kids and I really enjoyed Iron Man 3. I also thought it was a really nice touch to have Harley at Tony Stark's funeral.

That said, I have a far greater appreciation for all of the MCU films after watching all 23 in chronological order this past summer.

I enjoyed it so much that I watched them in order twice, then went back and watched them in order by character.

How Feige was able to draw a straight line through 23 consecutive movies is a feat that will never be matched, at least not in my lifetime.

I feel like there are 2 groups of people:

1) People who will defend Iron Man 2
2) People who will defend Iron Man 3

And there's really not a ton of overlap. I liked 2 and a lot of folks really don't. I thought 3 was just god-awful, but some people enjoy it.

Something about the difference in tones between the 2 movies has created a weird little venn diagram where the circles just barely overlap.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I feel like there are 2 groups of people:

1) People who will defend Iron Man 2
2) People who will defend Iron Man 3

And there's really not a ton of overlap. I liked 2 and a lot of folks really don't. I thought 3 was just god-awful, but some people enjoy it.

Something about the difference in tones between the 2 movies has created a weird little venn diagram where the circles just barely overlap.

I didn't see Iron Man 3 in the movie theaters and originally watched it years and years ago on Netflix or HBO or whatever. At the time, I thought it was "okay" but I didn't hate it or love it.

That said, I liked it much, much better in the chronological context, which also made Thor 2 a much better movie than watching it as a stand-alone, at least for me.

I think there's something to be said about watching them in chronological order because as you mentioned, there was a tonal shift between Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3 that as stand-alones, doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

But when viewing chronologically, it totally makes sense, as things were growing much darker with the impending alien invasion.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I like Daniel Craig as Bond and thought Casino Royale and Skyfall were absolutely amazing but it's time to move on to another actor, IMO.

It's a damn shame that Pierce Brosnan wasn't given the same quality of script and production values because I think if he had, he'd be the 2nd best Bond of all time, next to Sean Connery.

Dalton was a poor man's Craig; which isn't a knock on him at all. I liked Dalton. But he was almost too good as a pure actor for the gig. And coming right on the heels of Moore, he was just the wrong guy.

I remember for awhile thinking I sounded clever by saying that Lazenby could've been great. Then I watched OHMSS again several years ago....jesus he was bad.

I'm fiercely anti-Moore but Lazenby was definitely worse. And like you, I think Brosnan got some bad movies to work with but man, those last couple were just SO bad that it's hard to really separate how awful they were from him. I know it wasn't really his fault, but the captain goes down with the ship, Pierce.

Those movies were so bad that had Craig not been absolutely brilliant, the whole franchise could be done by now.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Dalton was a poor man's Craig; which isn't a knock on him at all. I liked Dalton. But he was almost too good as a pure actor for the gig. And coming right on the heels of Moore, he was just the wrong guy.

I remember for awhile thinking I sounded clever by saying that Lazenby could've been great. Then I watched OHMSS again several years ago....jesus he was bad.

I'm fiercely anti-Moore but Lazenby was definitely worse. And like you, I think Brosnan got some bad movies to work with but man, those last couple were just SO bad that it's hard to really separate how awful they were from him. I know it wasn't really his fault, but the captain goes down with the ship, Pierce.

Those movies were so bad that had Craig not been absolutely brilliant, the whole franchise could be done by now.

Moore was a product of that era. Most of those movies are bad or pure cheese now.

For Your Eyes Only is probably the best of those Moore movies.

[bowener]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Kevin Feige is a unicorn

This is certainly true, but it is also why I'd think EON would try to emulate that in some fashion.

[Randallflagg]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

I don't know if anything can surpass Casino Royale imo. I love most Bond films so count me in, I was more wishing for Tom Hardy as Wolverine but Bond would be a good watch too.

As long as he isn't ANYTHING like Roger Moore......Good lord he was bad...

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I didn't see Iron Man 3 in the movie theaters and originally watched it years and years ago on Netflix or HBO or whatever. At the time, I thought it was "okay" but I didn't hate it or love it.

That said, I liked it much, much better in the chronological context, which also made Thor 2 a much better movie than watching it as a stand-alone, at least for me.

I think there's something to be said about watching them in chronological order because as you mentioned, there was a tonal shift between Iron Man 2 and Iron Man 3 that as stand-alones, doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

But when viewing chronologically, it totally makes sense, as things were growing much darker with the impending alien invasion.

Man...that's a commitment, though.

20+ movies that probably average right at 2 hours each.

I expect there are several lists on the internet that establish the chronology and since I have Disney+, maybe I should give it a shot.

But that's gonna take me months I suspect and I wonder if you can't knock all them out in a couple of weeks if it doesn't take away from the direct timeline impact. It would be similar to setting a book down and picking it back up a couple months later - I feel like you'd lose the progression a bit.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Moore was a product of that era. Most of those movies are bad or pure cheese now.

For Your Eyes Only is probably the best of those Moore movies.

Quantum of Solace and even Spectre take quite a bit of heat for being lousy Bond movies. But I think they're both completely adequate and in many ways decent.

Now I won't say he could've ever elevated Die Another Day to even tolerable - but man, The World Is Not Enough shouldn't have been THAT bad. Which makes me wonder if Brosnan isn't a system QB of sorts.

He's as good as the movie he's in.

Whereas Craig is a Franchise QB - he can elevate the product around him. He couldn't have made World Is Not Enough into Skyfall, but it wouldn't have been THAT bad either.

His VORB (Value Over Replacement Bond) is like 30% over league average. Where Brosnan's is like, maybe 10%.

I don't know that you can necessarily judge Brosnan by his worst effort, but you can kinda look at his sub-par one and say "man, a better Bond does more with this..."

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Man...that's a commitment, though.

20+ movies that probably average right at 2 hours each.

I expect there are several lists on the internet that establish the chronology and since I have Disney+, maybe I should give it a shot.

But that's gonna take me months I suspect and I wonder if you can't knock all them out in a couple of weeks if it doesn't take away from the direct timeline impact. It would be similar to setting a book down and picking it back up a couple months later - I feel like you'd lose the progression a bit.

My kids were in school until June 19th this year, so we started from the beginning on June 20th. We'd normally start a movie around 7:30ish, so we'd watch at least one full movie per night and sometimes, two. And don't forget to watch every film until the very end because there are some great Mid-Credit and End Credit scenes.

But I swear, once it gets going, none of us wanted to even go to sleep and all we could talk about the following day was how excited we were to watch the next movie. It was just a fantastic experience and really, a bonding experience for me and my daughters because we could all share our favorite parts, moments and movies when it was all done. We watched every movie in less than 23 days.

Here are the movies in order:

1 Captain America: The First Avenger (WWII)
2 Captain Marvel (1995)
3 Iron Man (2010)
4 Iron Man 2 (2011)
5 Thor (2011.6)
7 The Avengers (2012)
8 Iron Man 3 (2013)
9 Thor: Dark World (2014)
10 Captain America: Winter Soldier (2014.3)
11 Guardians of the Galaxy (2014.4)
12 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (2014.9)
13 Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015.6)
14 Ant-Man (2015.8)
15 Captain America: Civil War (2016)
16 Spider-Man: Homecoming (2016.5)
17 Doctor Strange (2016.7)
18 Black Panther (2017.1)
19 Thor: Ragnarok (2017.3)
20 Avengers: Infinity War (2017.5)
21 Ant-Man and The Wasp (2017.5 - it happens nearly simultaneously as Infinity Wars but watch it after)
22 Avengers: Endgame (Begins in 2017, ends in 2022)
23 Spider-Man: Far From Home (post-Endgame)

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by bowener

This is certainly true, but it is also why I'd think EON would try to emulate that in some fashion.

Eh, they're just completely different people with completely different skillsets and goals.

Feige was a huge Marvel fan, and an even bigger Star Wars fan, whereas the Broccoli offspring are just picking up where their Dad left off and just trying to carry the torch.

I don't think we'll ever see something like the Marvel Cinematic Universe in another film series, ever again, although I do hope that the next iteration of Star Wars will at least attempt to make a singular vision into a spate of well connected and well conceived films.

But 23 and counting? I just can't see that happening.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

{cough}Ironman 3{coughcough}

I wonder if Shane Black sits around in bars drunk off his ass telling people he was an actor in the first Predator movie and was a director in the MCU for free drinks, lol.

To be fair, IM3 grew on me after repeated viewings. Still a level or three below the original and the other MCU stuff, but enjoyable.