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Old 09-22-2020, 06:30 PM  
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Some chatter today about Mahomes drifting too far from the pocket
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Old 09-23-2020, 06:31 AM   #46
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Mahomes is really really really good. I don't know why people can't accept that maybe he can work on a thing or two. For all the things he does incredibly well he needs to read his pocket better. And that is not always by design. Seems especially relevant since SF and LAC really flustered our offense with good pressure from DEs.
I wasn't saying that Mahomes didn't need to, or couldn't work on his footwork. Some people seemed to think that Geoff Schwartz was criticizing Mahomes over a minor detail, a detail that helped us win the Super Bowl.

I was stating that I thought Schwartz was talking more about how Mahomes could help the offensive line by staying at a more shallow depth in the pocket.

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Old 09-23-2020, 06:33 AM   #47
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Old 09-23-2020, 06:35 AM   #48
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It seems to me that his tenancy to drift farther back in the pocket than most QB's enables him to make plays that most QB's can't make and wouldn't attempt. There is a side effect in that it makes it harder for his tackles to stop a hard rusher because the further back he goes, the straighter the line that the rusher has to travel, and it's harder to stop them. Get back to me when he's sacked 5 and 6 times in a game.

Yes, his style makes it harder on the tackles. But the benefits FAR outweigh the liabilites, at least so far. He's aware of this "deficiency" and so are the tackles. This is called "finding something...ANYTHING...to criticize about Mahomes".

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Old 09-23-2020, 07:04 AM   #49
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I wasn't saying that Mahomes didn't need to, or couldn't work on his footwork. Some people seemed to think that Geoff Schwartz was criticizing Mahomes over a minor detail, a detail that helped us win the Super Bowl.

I was stating that I thought Schwartz was talking more about how Mahomes could help the offensive line by staying at a more shallow depth in the pocket.

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Yeah, I was mostly agreeing with you. The drifting isn't necessarily a problem. But if he's going to drift he has to see the pocket in front of him better. Especially while drifting he has to see opportunities to slide into the pocket when needed.

Id also say that while it won us a super bowl and at LAC, those two games also exposed a problem. Teams with strong outside rushes will give us a problem. We saw mahomes start to do that later in the game but it was almost too little too late. Drifting may work in a lot of games but we may want to avoid vs defenses like SF and LAC.
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Old 09-23-2020, 07:12 AM   #50
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Have we all forgotten pat calling himself out on this last year when he was injured? He came back and stepped up more and we lit the world on fire. Sure there are plays called that far back but not every damn one, and surely the tackles know when it is a deep drop, so they wouldnt run the rusher straight to him..
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Old 09-23-2020, 07:27 AM   #51
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It seems to me that his tenancy to drift farther back in the pocket than most QB's enables him to make plays that most QB's can't make and wouldn't attempt. There is a side effect in that it makes it harder for his tackles to stop a hard rusher because the further back he goes, the straighter the line that the rusher has to travel, and it's harder to stop them. Get back to me when he's sacked 5 and 6 times in a game.

Yes, his style makes it harder on the tackles. But the benefits FAR outweigh the liabilites, at least so far. He's aware of this "deficiency" and so are the tackles. This is called "finding something...ANYTHING...to criticize about Mahomes".

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On occasion the benefits outweigh the liabilities. When he struggled last year it was when he did what he did in the 1st half last week, and that’s drifting further back in the pocket. This is an understandable side effect of shotty interior line blocking that was horrendous last year. It’s ok to do on occasion, but if you suddenly see the Chiefs O return to top form it will be when Mahomes stays in the pocket and delivers the ball, and or starts to use the A and B gaps to step up and scramble forward in Defenses that don’t use a QB Spy (all of them bc of our weapons). If they start blitzing those gaps he will pick apart the secondary. When you drop back like he does at times it makes it impossible for Fisher and Schwartz to do their job. Even Mahomes has alluded to this, and because he’s a gift from the Universe he will fix it in short order. I’d be surprised if you don’t see this better this week, just hope the interior steps up and doesn’t make him second guess.
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Old 09-23-2020, 12:00 PM   #52
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Hows about our OL stop playing like complete dog shit and then Mahomes wont have to constantly keep doing Superman things to bail our asses out.
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Old 09-23-2020, 12:06 PM   #53
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He's made some crazy plays doing that kind of stuff though, which is why it's a hard habit to break. He's got a few habits that would be a problem for other QBs but he's so talented it just doesn't matter.
Chris Simms broke down the drifting, as did his dad.

They both say it's a positive and it's done on purpose because it helps open up the running lanes for him to take off.

He drifts so far back that the DL's blow their gaps and allow Pat to run right through them. It's a huge part of why he succeeds as a scrambler. He's effectively manipulating the DL.

The DE's basically either have to mush rush and and not over extend, or over extend and allow huge running lanes for Mahomes.
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Old 09-23-2020, 12:09 PM   #54
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Lmao. Im gonna trust what Patrick is doing until Andy Reid says its a problem. Geoff Schwartz is trash and I dont know the other guy. If Pat is doing something Im sure there is a damn good reason for it and Geoff is a dipshit.
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Schwartz aint a dipshit, but he fails to realize how effective that drifting really is, and like many, has yet to come to accept that Mahomes is re-writing age old QB cliches of what can and cannot be done on the field.
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Old 09-23-2020, 12:11 PM   #55
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Wow, aren’t Ben and Rivers playing behind some of the top o lines??
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Old 09-23-2020, 12:17 PM   #56
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I'm not buying that he was doing it on purpose every time. I think its a bad habit he got back into with poor line play. I think its done on purpose in rare occasions like wasp.
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Old 09-23-2020, 12:19 PM   #57
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The "Cam Erving Effect" ... recently replaced by the "Wylie Effect".

It plays havoc on the tackles.

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Old 09-23-2020, 12:21 PM   #58
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The "Cam Erving Effect" ... recently replaced by the "Wylie Effect".

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I think it's more of a "Schwartz looks a step slower these days" effect.
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Old 09-23-2020, 12:27 PM   #59
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I think it's more of a "Schwartz looks a step slower these days" effect.
You may very well be right.

The Bolts rush made him look bad.

On the other hand, Mahomes' deep drifty drops aren't helping.

Normally, Schwartz would push the outside guy and let him go wide, then recover to clean up as the rusher overshoots.

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He seemed to be feeling/seeing phantom pressure, especially in the first half. There had to be at least three plays where he broke out of the pocket when there was no reason to (from a pressure standpoint, anyway).
Phantom? He got squashed a few times on some serious hits because our line is not very good.
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